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[Oh]

tunnel is a word that should not be used for the way rc is approaching shoshin.

stop doing that

[Oh]

-E

This isn't difficult. The way people use it now is effectively misrepresenting the person you speak about.

[Wisdom]

lolwat

how is it called when you feel a person is scum and all you do in the game is push them until theyre dead

im one of the most guilty of this in ms, id know

[Wisdom]

and usually with arguments only you understand because theyre related to feelings or experience and not logical things

[Oh]

lolwat

how is it called when you feel a person is scum and all you do in the game is push them until theyre dead

im one of the most guilty of this in ms, id know

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That's why I expected more from you.

He made ~3 posts about why he was scum reading her before he was accused of tunneling the first game

The game has not even been live for 24 hours and he's pushed her for MAYBE 4 of them.

How on earth is this "all he does in the game?" or even how does it look like he's pushing them until they're dead? He even made a post reconsidering his read?

You can't call him pushing Shoshin for a couple hours a tunnel.

and usually with arguments only you understand because theyre related to feelings or experience and not logical things

That's often a cause of tunneling but that doesn't necessarily constitute it

You're going after him for "tunneling" because he brought up his scum read and said maybe we should lynch it.

[Wisdom]

and even further, you then attempt to sort everyone else while having your tunnelee as flipped scum in your mind

namely what rc is doing

[Oh]

It takes a real spin doctor to turn the 3 hour push into an "all game until they're dead" push.

Quit exaggerating things out of proportion because you disagree with them.

[Oh]

and even further, you then attempt to sort everyone else while having your tunnelee as flipped scum in your mind

namely what rc is doing

That's not tunneling, that's hunting for associatives, and if you think that's what RC is doing, call it that instead.

Also bringing up that you think someone is scummy and then also presenting a possible solve with that argument is not scummy. That's what RC did. He brought up his read, defended it, and presented a possible solve. The game hasn't even gone on >24 hours. Are you just going to say that whenever anyone brings up who they think is scum and starts pushing them that they're also tunneling? Are we supposed to sit around sipping tea and make off-handed comments about how we think one or the other player MIGHT POSSIBLY be scum until we just happen to get enough agreement to get a lynch because directly calling a player out as scum is considered tunneling? Because that's significantly easier for scum to manipulate.

[Oh]

All of this is -E

[Oh]

Iirc, back when I started we didn't consider a player to have tunnel vision until they'd pushed a player for several days and refused any alternatives to that push (often refusing to acknowledge other players whatsoever with the exception of begging their assistance with the lynch).

-E

[Oh]

TBH, I could make a better argument that you're tunneling RC than he's tunneling Shoshin. You started out the day making negative comments about him (especially as far as not saving him), a significant number of your posts are about him (in a negative fashion), you exaggerate his posting by accusing him of tunneling, and you doubled down when presented with the alternative that he wasn't, in fact, tunneling. Frankly, you seem almost obsessed with him.

[Oh]

-E

[Wisdom]

yeah ok enter. Rc tunneling is a thing everyone knows about and i feel silly even having to discuss this. You can keep your worship opinions for yourself but don't tell me hes not tunneling when its the only thing he ever does

[Nachomamma8]

That's not tunneling, that's hunting for associatives, and if you think that's what RC is doing, call it that instead.

this is a pedantic argument, please disengage.

[Wisdom]

That's not tunneling, that's hunting for associatives,

In order to hunt for associatives you need scumflips. Do you know what its called when a scumread equals scumflip? Guess.

[Wisdom]

Like i fucking do it all the time. I try to call whole scumteams because im that confident in my reads. But i will never say "im not tunneling". I know im doing it.

[Wisdom]

Iirc, back when I started we didn't consider a player to have tunnel vision until they'd pushed a player for several days and refused any alternatives to that push (often refusing to acknowledge other players whatsoever with the exception of begging their assistance with the lynch).

-E

Your only good point is that it has not been long in terms of time, ill give you that. Guess reading all these pages made me lose track of that. But knowing rc, i doubt hes going to change his mind so does time really matter

[Wisdom]

you're tunneling RC

not scumreading rc, in fact towreading the slot, so

[Oh]

That's not tunneling, that's hunting for associatives, and if you think that's what RC is doing, call it that instead.

this is a pedantic argument, please disengage.

Noted.

Where are you at so far?

[Nachomamma8]

Cephrir -

I'm sorry you're feeling crappy. I do think that there are a few places where you've seemed more on edge than you would be typically and this is your daily reminder that I think that you are great and good but also that you should be the change you want to see in the world. I don't think Sakura was trying to be an ass to you even though she came across that way a bit and I don't think that you'll get as bogged down talking about RC's personality with time away and a fresh outlook - even sassrir is a little more hit and run than you are now, I think. Let me know if there's something positive I can do.

[Nachomamma8]

Cephrir -

I'm sorry you're feeling crappy. I do think that there are a few places where you've seemed more on edge than you would be typically and this is your daily reminder that I think that you are great and good but also that you should be the change you want to see in the world. I don't think Sakura was trying to be an ass to you even though she came across that way a bit and I don't think that you'll get as bogged down talking about RC's personality with time away and a fresh outlook - even sassrir is a little more hit and run than you are now, I think. Let me know if there's something positive I can do.

[Nachomamma8]

That's not tunneling, that's hunting for associatives, and if you think that's what RC is doing, call it that instead.

this is a pedantic argument, please disengage.

Noted.

Where are you at so far?

I've been loosely following so far, mostly caught up. My plan is to get a few miscellaneous things out of the way that I wanted to address but didn't have time, get wildly drunk, then make a Regfan readslist since the setup seems perfect for it.

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

This game is ruining my sleep schedule already /o/

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

This feels like town wisdom maybe

[Wisdom]

is that gif? I doubt bitmap remembers what i look like