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[davesaz]

LUV is our mod, Dave.

What's the point of this comment?

[Hectic]

Apologies. Busy until Friday, but I will catchup then for 100% sure.
In the meantime, I'll read up on the history of the Mongolian and Byazantine Empires. This will make sense later.

[Carcalilly]

LUV is our mod, Dave.

What's the point of this comment?

Snarky remark in attempt to explain all the claims

[Carcalilly]

It was used in a game I was scum in on the town side. It was a full voyeur and I abused it with my disloyal fruit vendor fake claim and got them lynched in lylo.

I also saw it attached to a JOAT earlier in the year too.

That’s about it.

Are you currently plotting a game-changing strategy that'll carry town to victory? :>

[Carcalilly]

Apologies. Busy until Friday, but I will catchup then for 100% sure.
In the meantime, I'll read up on the history of the Mongolian and Byazantine Empires. This will make sense later.

Thanks for the relevant effort <3

[Garmr]

My somewhat role counters tchill I claimed ages before and tchill has had plenty of time to counterclaim or vote me as a scum read. This seems like a last minute scum gambit.

[Garmr]

Apologies. Busy until Friday, but I will catchup then for 100% sure.
In the meantime, I'll read up on the history of the Mongolian and Byazantine Empires. This will make sense later.

Nah ditch those two and write about the mighty Vandals and their leader Genseric.

[Garmr]

Dumb question if Tchill is a town tracker, wouldn't he say so or hint the watcher claim might not be true? I'm a bit sick so please excuse if answered.

I find this quite odd.

Tchill just claimed tracker and your first response is to indirectly push him.

It would be unwise to concider to lynch tchill now that he has claimed tracker.

Are you blind or did you miss the fact my role counters him. Also Titus is right in a way there should of been some sort of reaction to the watcher claim(doesn't have to be the exact one she listed.). Did you see my reaction if scum were smart they would of seen I was struggling internally because I had information a vanilla shouldn't of.

[davesaz]

If the gimmick of the game is to have lots of similar roles then having all 3 (watcher, tracker, voyeur) isn't a counter at all.
If the gimmick of the game is to have one of those be scum, I believe the claim under duress a whole lot more than I believe the unnecessary early claim with result.

[profii]

If no one directly cc's that they are also a tracker, I believe tchills claim but if there is another tracker they should definitely say

[Garmr]

VC 2.2

Tchill13 - (7):

- gobbledygook, Hopkirk, Cliff Booth, Titus, Hectic, Garmr Billy Pilgrim

EeveeLution Army - (4):

- Judge Joseph Dread, Rick Dalton,, , AaronFrost,Texcat

bob4131 - (2):

- profii, Alonzo

Rick Dalton - (1):

- Carcalilly

AaronFrost - (1):

-bob4131

Not Voting:

Kop, Hectic, EeveeLution Army

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-10-10 05:35:11)

Updated vote count.

So a tldr version of reads

not including masons

I can go into more detail if wanted.
Rick Dalton-town because scum wouldn't argue against the mason claim also I liked them so far.

Titus- Gut and experience with her.

Bob- With experience with both games this is more in line with his town game as he seems more cautious and less involved in his scum unless someone drags him in.

Judge Dread-Actively trying to solve the game, been town reading them for a while.

Cliff- This dwells on the fact if it's multiscum or not due to wagon speed.

Scum

Profii- He contrast the last game I played with him. None of his opinions are to out there his not trying to drive the game and spreading paranoia that will cost town the game.

Hopkirk- Reasons I stated before.

Tchill- His lack of involvement and how his wagon formed.

The rest are nullish.

Will comment on eevee through. They haven't really done much of anything but setup spec isn't a scummy thing to do unless it's information town doesn't have.

how tf is a wagon formation scummy on my part?

ppl are giving up because yall have vomit posted useless info and y

oure talking yourself into an inactive lynch

because yall dont know what to do.

T chill slipped up here. If he thought I was scum why would he use my post to demonstrate a townie talking himself into lynching a inactive slot.

[Garmr]

Scum doesn't talk themselves into lynches.

[Garmr]

If no one directly cc's that they are also a tracker, I believe tchills claim but if there is another tracker they should definitely say

Profii confirms tchill being scum here going by his track record of last game.

[Rick Dalton]

It was used in a game I was scum in on the town side. It was a full voyeur and I abused it with my disloyal fruit vendor fake claim and got them lynched in lylo.

I also saw it attached to a JOAT earlier in the year too.

That’s about it.

Are you currently plotting a game-changing strategy that'll carry town to victory? :>

I’ll come up with a solve soon. I’ll probably power through a mislynch if I’m alive tomorrow, which i believe I will be bar a fear paranoia inducing kill, but my solve will likely be correct.

[profii]

If no one directly cc's that they are also a tracker, I believe tchills claim but if there is another tracker they should definitely say

Profii confirms tchill being scum here going by his track record of last game.

can you just stop this and behave...

[Garmr]

If no one directly cc's that they are also a tracker, I believe tchills claim but if there is another tracker they should definitely say

Profii confirms tchill being scum here going by his track record of last game.

can you just stop this and behave...

ok will do lol

[Garmr]

But it feels like another kreag profii.

[Hopkirk]

Apologies. Busy until Friday, but I will catchup then for 100% sure.
In the meantime, I'll read up on the history of the Mongolian and Byazantine Empires. This will make sense later.

I can confirm this. I'll add that I'm also busy which Hectic can confirm.

-Kork

[profii]

But it feels like another kreag profii.

then you've not read what i said as I put something totally different.

[EeveeLution Army]

If the gimmick of the game is to have lots of similar roles then having all 3 (watcher, tracker, voyeur) isn't a counter at all.
If the gimmick of the game is to have one of those be scum, I believe the claim under duress a whole lot more than I believe the unnecessary early claim with result.

Then its possible we have the other ones too. Follower and motion detector

[Garmr]

But it feels like another kreag profii.

then you've not read what i said as I put something totally different.

No I'm saying Tchill feels like Kreag. The situation scum claims a role town back off barbecue they have no balls.

[Garmr]

So we now have 2 inspection role claims.

But garmr said he was just trying to wifom the scum / mason situation right?

I'm less inclined to believe that claim

My thoughts exactly, although my information on the mailman interaction is somewhat minimal. Garmr, what did gamma actually ask you? ^^;

"Gamma here, if you have any investigative abilities drop a line in your first post D2, I'm interested in changing the game."

I thought hey gammas dead lets carry on his wish and change the game.

[Garmr]

Also is this a viable set up

2 Masons

Watcher,Tracker,Voyeur

No protection for town.

[Garmr]

PRs outing results unprompted, in particular revealing what roles are in the game (!!) is another head scratcher. Can voyeurs be scum?

Can we lynch Dave for this post. Dave scum have day chat do you think I would out the doctor if I was a scum pr.

No, you can't. I'm acting in my inexperienced challenged role here. It was a seriously dumb thing to do, perhaps too dumb.
Scum might say such a thing publicly in order to try to gain town cred, and in order to try to fish the doc by getting the doc to defend them.

Actually these are reasons one may do it as scum but you failed to apply them to the game. Like you Said I'm being town read by nearly everyone why would I need town cred at this point. Also saying there's a doc outload won't get the doc to protect me there's A masons in the game and she is more valuable than me.

If the gimmick of the game is to have lots of similar roles then having all 3 (watcher, tracker, voyeur) isn't a counter at all.
If the gimmick of the game is to have one of those be scum, I believe the claim under duress a whole lot more than I believe the unnecessary early claim with result.

I don't think daves reads are actually coming from reading players but situations.

Like I was being town read when I claimed for no reason but I did so to try and fake a protective to keep the mason alive.

Tchill been hiding all game doing nothing and claimed under duress it's actually the only claim that would save his life. Tchill also had a failure to react to both my voyeur and elements watcher claim making his claim less believable. If he thought either role was town or scum then you would expect some kind of reaction from town tchill but nope his going to let it go through with out much involvement from him. If his town you'd think he'd start pushing the wagon harder or resisting it depending on his views.


That aside I noticed you called tchill not town motivated ect. Tchills not really done anything town motivated all game yet you would jump to believe his claim? Doesn't your read factor in on him. Why rule out scum trying to save themselves?

[Garmr]

@Dave
Also I'm going to ask a couple of questions.

Has anyone noted your lack of ability to apply what's actually happening in game to your points?
Did you know about about it and are you trying to change it?
Is it a problem you always had looking back or are trying out broad generalisations as a scum tool?