Baton Pass [Game Over!]

[Wisdom]

no that was irrelevant to gif's point
i dont care who you scumread and why, i care that people don't believe your lies

[Something_Smart]

gameplay s_s yukzuk

who opposes killing those three

Why do you even scumread me

[Wisdom]

what have you done to progress this gamestate

[Celestial Coordinates]

no that was irrelevant to gif's point

i dont care who you scumread and why, i care that people don't believe your lies

My statement was twofold: that I never failed to scumread her as scum and I never let her be mislynched as town. Those are both 100% factual and the game you cited as evidence if anything proves the rule that even if I scumread her wrongly at one point I'm highly liable to shift that read and townread her.

[northsidegal]

Votecount 1.16

Celestial Coordinates(4)

~ Gay Dance Gone Wrong¹⁸², Sakura Hana⁷¹, Dannflor⁷⁵, Oversoul⁵⁶

Something_Smart(2)

~ gameplay506¹⁸, Cephrir⁸⁴

Shoshin(2)

~ YukzYuk⁴², Shoshin⁶¹

Nachomamma8(1)

~ Wisdom⁷⁹

Gay Dance Gone Wrong(1)

~ PMysterious⁴


Not Voting (5): Goodies³⁰, Nachomamma8¹⁸, Oh¹³⁴, Celestial Coordinates¹⁹², Something_Smart⁶²

With 15 alive it takes 8 to decide.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-10-14 08:04:59)

[Something_Smart]

I've seen Shoshin push the logic that she's confirmed town for picking up the role PM before as town

Has she ever actually replaced out because she rolled scum? If so, I think that qualifies as a trust tell.

(Not to mention tactically replacing out which is a violation on its own.)

[Celestial Coordinates]

Gonna selfvote again even though I'm reasonably confident at this point scum is never going to let our wagon go through. VOTE: CC

Has she ever actually replaced out because she rolled scum? If so, I think that qualifies as a trust tell.

(Not to mention tactically replacing out which is a violation on its own.)

She has not tactically replaced out as scum but she has alluded to her willingness to do so in the past.

[Wisdom]

trust tell or not replacing out because scum is terrible
man up and learn to play scum

[Something_Smart]

what have you done to progress this gamestate

Directly? Nothing. Why's that a scumtell though? Both town and scum are motivated equally to progress the gamestate in a way that is favorable for them.

[Celestial Coordinates]

It's not that she can't play scum, it's that she prefers the advantages garnered as a town player by not being a player who has any notoriety for their scum game. That's true of a ton of players who underplay as town though.

[Wisdom]

Nothing

then thats why

[Celestial Coordinates]

As scum. Being notorious for your scum play makes mafia significantly, significantly less enjoyable than it is when you don't have a reputation as a scum player.
This whole discrediting me thing would be a nonstarter if people weren't concerned that I could be scum, in spite of whatever logic proves me town up to this point.

[Something_Smart]

Nothing

then thats why

Do you think that, if I had a meta of "progressing the gamestate" as town, I wouldn't be able to fake that as scum?

[Something_Smart]

Moreover, do you think I wouldn't even ATTEMPT to fake it?

[Wisdom]

so you post empty fillers as town?

[Something_Smart]

I post what narrow-minded people perceive as empty fillers, yes.

[Celestial Coordinates]

I took the time to actually read Yukyukz iso since you wanted to put them as a serious lynch contender
What exactly is your read on Sakura Hana that you've been dancing around?

[Wisdom]

who are the three people youd kill if you had to choose right now? @s_s

[Wisdom]

What exactly is your read on Sakura Hana that you've been dancing around?

dont have one and i usually misread her anyway

[Celestial Coordinates]

I think I can say with fairly high certainty this game ends up being a town loss from here if I don't brute force it onto a better path, but otoh I don't really want to brute force it onto another path.

dont have one and i usually misread her anyway

I was talking to Yukyukz not you because they had this weird engagement with Shoshin because they voted them for saying that Sakura Hana could be scum.

[Something_Smart]

who are the three people youd kill if you had to choose right now? @s_s

That's not a helpful question.

Shoshin and Cephrir, and if Shoshin flips town then CC, otherwise Goodies.

[Celestial Coordinates]

Cephrir -

I'm sorry you're feeling crappy. I do think that there are a few places where you've seemed more on edge than you would be typically and this is your daily reminder that I think that you are great and good but also that you should be the change you want to see in the world. I don't think Sakura was trying to be an ass to you even though she came across that way a bit and I don't think that you'll get as bogged down talking about RC's personality with time away and a fresh outlook - even sassrir is a little more hit and run than you are now, I think. Let me know if there's something positive I can do.

see this is the kind of post that I was looking for to townread Nacho but he only produced it after I outlined what I thought was missing from his ISO and I think he'd be able to reverse engineer it?

[Wisdom]

who are the three people youd kill if you had to choose right now? @s_s

That's not a helpful question.

Shoshin and Cephrir, and if Shoshin flips town then CC, otherwise Goodies.

add stupid nonsensical reads to the reasons i scumread you then

[Celestial Coordinates]

who are the three people youd kill if you had to choose right now? @s_s

That's not a helpful question.

Shoshin and Cephrir, and if Shoshin flips town then CC, otherwise Goodies.

add stupid nonsensical reads to the reasons i scumread you then

The logic is really simple, either I have correct reads or I'm scum. This isn't stupid nonsensical reads and I think S_S is more likely to be town than scum as of right now.

[Something_Smart]

It's not that she can't play scum, it's that she prefers the advantages garnered as a town player by not being a player who has any notoriety for their scum game. That's true of a ton of players who underplay as scum though.

Oh that's dumb. I don't think it's technically a violation of "play to win" but it's against the spirit of it.