Baton Pass [Game Over!]

[Shoshin]

Yes, correct. The fact that I'm playing this game is a town-tell. It might not appear that way to you, because you don't know me, but that doesn't change the reality of the fact that it's very unlikely I would have confirmed my role if I was scum. I've said this before in other games where I was town, for context, so this isn't something I'm making up. This is my last game for the next two years, and I definitely wouldn't be spending it playing scum. That's just a fact, yes it might seem unethical, but I wasn't even sure I wanted to play more mafia because I was scared of getting a mafia PM. I only signed up for this game because NSG invited me and it seemed like a fun setup to play.

Do you realize that trust tells are bannable offenses and prone to modkill?

I've never used a trust tell, and like I said, this is my last game on the site for over two years. Just for context, I'm leaving in two months -- I'll be serving in the Peace Corps in a small village in Africa and I don't expect to have internet. This IS my last game on here, and if I get banned, then so be it, but I can assure you I wasn't going to play scum for my last game. I'd rather be banned than waste my time doing something I hate.

[Dannflor]

I feel like Shoshin should be arguing why her play makes her town, but she’s chosen to completely ignore RC’s case on her in favor of the dumb angleshooty argument.

If you want me to address his case, I will. I mostly don't want to get in a back-and-forth with RC, so if I'm addressing it, it's going to be for your sake, not his.

I would like if you did

[Sakura Hana]

Do you realize that trust tells are bannable offenses and prone to modkill?

It's not a trust tell if it's restricted to a single game. It's just a dubious self-meta claim.

I tend not to believe people who say that they would break site rules.

I dont think it is anyway because RC mentioned she doing this "trust tell" as scum before.

[Shoshin]

I feel like Shoshin should be arguing why her play makes her town, but she’s chosen to completely ignore RC’s case on her in favor of the dumb angleshooty argument.

If you want me to address his case, I will. I mostly don't want to get in a back-and-forth with RC, so if I'm addressing it, it's going to be for your sake, not his.

I would like if you did

Point me to the specific posts #s you want me to address.

[Sakura Hana]

I've never used a trust tell, and like I said, this is my last game on the site for over two years. Just for context, I'm leaving in two months -- I'll be serving in the Peace Corps in a small village in Africa and I don't expect to have internet. This IS my last game on here, and if I get banned, then so be it, but I can assure you I wasn't going to play scum for my last game. I'd rather be banned than waste my time doing something I hate.

Hmm i see.

[Dannflor]

It's a bit absurd to call me scum when nothing has even happened in this game. Generally-speaking, town RC gives me a chance to lynch scum because he knows my reads are good enough to do so. The fact he isn't doing that here is very concerning.

I also think his push on me came at a very suspicious moment -- I started challenging his bulletproof, meaning he possibly wouldn't be able to kill me at night & would need to lynch me.

Scum RC cannot afford to leave me alive for very long.

But it was somewhat clear he was scumreading you before that moment.

[Something_Smart]

Just for context, I'm leaving in two months -- I'll be serving in the Peace Corps in a small village in Africa and I don't expect to have internet.

Damn, good luck!

[Sakura Hana]

Yeah sorry RC, I changed my mind i dont think Shoshin is scum here.

[Shoshin]

Do you realize that trust tells are bannable offenses and prone to modkill?

It's not a trust tell if it's restricted to a single game. It's just a dubious self-meta claim.

I tend not to believe people who say that they would break site rules.

I dont think it is anyway because RC mentioned she doing this "trust tell" as scum before.

I never did this as scum? I did it as town to argue I was town, because I was in fact town.

[Dannflor]

I’ll have to get the post numbers later.

But Shoshin, weren’t you the slot who said Nancy’s posts indicate that hydra is town? If not, do you agree with that?

[Something_Smart]

Yeah sorry RC, I changed my mind i dont think Shoshin is scum here.

She's definitely pulling a lot of low blows if she's scum, that's for sure.

But according to what RC said it seems like she is willing to do that as scum? If she did roll scum in her last game, I bet she'd be a lot less concerned with playing ethically.

[Sakura Hana]

Do you realize that trust tells are bannable offenses and prone to modkill?

It's not a trust tell if it's restricted to a single game. It's just a dubious self-meta claim.

I tend not to believe people who say that they would break site rules.

I dont think it is anyway because RC mentioned she doing this "trust tell" as scum before.

I never did this as scum? I did it as town to argue I was town, because I was in fact town.

Hmm?:

Very difficult for me to take that as anything besides a hard scumclaim. I've seen Shoshin push the logic that she's confirmed town for picking up the role PM before as town but in that game she used it based on the fact that the game took several weeks to start and she would have just been done the game if she was scum, not based on the logic that literally her being present in a game was confirmation that she was town.

Anyway, we can kill Wisdom Gameplay or something along those lines for first baton pass instead and almost certainly get at least one scum with a lot less mental effort from me and I'd be good with that.

Maybe i misinterpreted this.

[Shoshin]

I’ll have to get the post numbers later.

But Shoshin, weren’t you the slot who said Nancy’s posts indicate that hydra is town? If not, do you agree with that?

I didn't say that, no. I don't agree that Nancy has towned herself yet. This feels much more like her scum hydra in RC's game, if you remember that? She was sort of awkward & clueless and posted much less than her usual town self because she was afraid to post (this coming from the scum PM that I was in).

[Dannflor]

Okay, thank you Shoshin.

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

shoshin, can u also give us baton candidates that aren't you or RC or the 3 lurkers with less posts than the mod?

[Dannflor]

I’ll be away from the thread a while but I’ll quote the posts I was looking for a response to when I come back.

[Sakura Hana]

If she did roll scum in her last game, I bet she'd be a lot less concerned with playing ethically.

I guess that's possible too.
Regardless of her alignment it's gonna leave a bad taste in my mouth.
If she's scum and i dont push her i feel like im just letting her skate by on principle and to not be mean to someone that hates playing scum and are on their last game.
If she's town and i push her I feel like im being mean to someone.
In this state i cant really trust my read there at all tbh, but i just cant feel like this is scum.

[Shoshin]

Very difficult for me to take that as anything besides a hard scumclaim. I've seen Shoshin push the logic that she's confirmed town for picking up the role PM before

as town

but in that game she used it based on the fact that the game took several weeks to start and she would have just been done the game if she was scum, not based on the logic that literally her being present in a game was confirmation that she was town.

Yes, Sakura, you misread. RC is saying that I made this same argument in another game as town, not as scum. He distinguishes this game from that one by saying that the other game took a few weeks to start. This game, from my perspective, also took weeks to start. Like, I dunno. I signed up a month ago. If I was scum, I would have felt very comfortable just telling NSG that I couldn't stay in the game because it took too long to start, my schedule had changed, or something along those lines. It's not a difficult thing to do when that much time passes between signups and the start of the game. RC's entire distinction is utter bullshit.

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

i feel no matter how i read shoshin, im going to be either ethically wrong or logically wrong

[Shoshin]

shoshin, can u also give us baton candidates that aren't you or RC or the 3 lurkers with less posts than the mod?

I'd give baton to Sakura. Their approach to me the past couple pages has been very towny.

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

GIF head is gonna step out for few days.
Forward all questions to Bitty tyvm

[Something_Smart]

Regardless of her alignment it's gonna leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Yeah. It's a shitty argument and it really has no place in the game.

Probably the best way to proceed is to just ignore it completely.

[Shoshin]

GIF head is gonna step out for few days.
Forward all questions to Bitty tyvm

That's unfortunate.

GIF is the one who has been in this specific spot before twice -- RC trying to lynch town me. I'd like to think GIF might have learned from these experiences & might have some insight to contribute. Maybe not.

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

GIF head is gonna step out for few days.
Forward all questions to Bitty tyvm

That's unfortunate.

GIF is the one who has been in this specific spot before twice -- RC trying to lynch town me. I'd like to think GIF might have learned from these experiences & might have some insight to contribute. Maybe not.

GIF is kind of annoyed by how this game is becoming more unethical so he needs a few days off. I'll help him catch up when he comes back.

Personally for me it's more of a "I've been burned from this twice already, do I risk it for a third time like an idiot?"

[Oh]

If anyone needs a distraction... talk to me later and get me caught up ty

-Edmund Duke, Alpha Squadron