Baton Pass [Game Over!]

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

That was kinda different tho, Ali in speakeasy was more of a "Why would scum do something that actively harms their win condition", it was a dirty buddying tactic, but it was still some sort of buddying.

my mouth still sour from that game so I'm not fully buying Shoshin's defense yet

[Sakura Hana]

However i wont hesitate to voice my opinion when i disagree with RC.

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

actually idk what to think of RC anymore

[Oh]

Shoshin you realize that you really have no reason to push your role PM thing.......... at all ever, right

Literally all you achieve by mentioning it is alienating people which just makes it harder for people to take you seriously elsewhere since it just makes you seem like you only put yourself in your own shoes

Just a drive by... idk light warning I guess

-Edmund Duke, Alpha Squadron

[Shoshin]

im not saying explititlyasdfasly

im saying deep down inside

when you just got this feeling that makes you dance in ur shoes

did you have that deep down feeling of a tingle of smthing

@shoshin if not clear wrt to cc read

I don't understand what you're asking.

[YukzYuk]

im not saying explititlyasdfasly

im saying deep down inside

when you just got this feeling that makes you dance in ur shoes

did you have that deep down feeling of a tingle of smthing

@shoshin if not clear wrt to cc read

I don't understand what you're asking.

ignore sry didnt see u answered it earlier

just look at my next question <3

[Wisdom]

rc is town guys. Theres no reason to doubt that. Just ignore him and shoshin and focus on finding actual scum

I repeat. S_S, yukzuk, gameplay. Ill throw in pmysterious as a bonus.

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

I'll join you on a yukzuk lynch.

[YukzYuk]

im too young to die

[YukzYuk]

shoshin whered you go bb

[Shoshin]

I felt nothing town from RC, Yuk. His early discussion about mechanics is how he starts games as scum when mechanics are relevant -- it's not Ai. His disagreement with me about Wisdom was bad, especially since it wasn't explored at all; he didn't make any attempts to interact with me or understand where I'm coming from, which is very unusual for town him. I don't see anything towny about his play. Do you?

yeah im lil sus on him but idk if anyone else agrees w me

hey can u answer me this

u think that town can get a scum rc lynched? or do you need to be alive for that to happen

I have very little faith in town lynching RC, with or without me, but I think the chance of lynching him is much higher with me alive.

[YukzYuk]

just one last weird question then

why were u okay with him getting the baton early on ?

[Shoshin]

I wasn't thinking about the mechanics of the setup properly. I was choosing baton based on who I thought was statistically likely nightkill, not on who I thought was most valuable to town's chances of winning. I also don't think I have anywhere close to the name-recognition of others in this game so I imagined nobody would choose me over RC either way. You could say I'm a bit defeatist about things at times.

[YukzYuk]

aight chill ima dip now and think about things

[Shoshin]

rc is town guys. Theres no reason to doubt that.

Why do you think RC's town?

[Cephrir]

Trying to avoid tackling the more subjective and more complicated metrics that make me think Shoshin/Cephrir is a SvS interaction
Shoshin decides she isn't going to try to read Cephrir (WHY?) and then spends 5 consecutive posts interacting with him.
The decision not to read him is weird scummy and makes sense coming from scum (doesn't want to have to take responsibility for a read) and the rest just feels like typical scum forcing interactions.

Even continuing the game, Cephrir's "I would vote Shoshin but my scumread is voting there" is super weird and super scumbuddyish.
I'm really just calling a spade a spade, this isn't some sort of megacomplicated read and I think that you guys would be seeing it if you were genuinely scumhunting these two.

wait is this all we're calling a "case" or was there something else i missed

maybe i haven't gotten to it yet

idk, ive been attacked in the past for happily voting alongside my scumreads, seems like you just can't win eh? i don't think it was tremendously weird that Yukz supporting a vote made me more wary of it.

sure, i'll give you that shoshin's interactions with me are a little strange.

i think your theory that they could be scum being coached to buddy me doesn't have legs, but i should point out that there is a small amount of supporting evidence for it, which is the "oh scum ceph is scary" post shoshin made. and i was weirded out by it at the time. i think this is less likely to be her trying to pocket me, though, than it is a possible response to some scumbuddy listing their impressions of every player and noting that i'm good.

[Cephrir]

idk why it was so important to you that i address something that is barely about me!
796 doesn't seem to me like a point that should have you locked down on scumshoshin forever. i feel like you're being extreme about what should be a mild read.

sorry for being a grump last night. there were definitely some very out of line and uncalled for hostile remarks aimed at me, but i should have responded more maturely.
sakura, i realize you didn't mean to be hurtful and i'm sorry for lashing out.

[Cephrir]

also, not to scummily complain about the pace, but the amount of pages generated at 3 am is like. yall need jesus.

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

also, not to scummily complain about the pace, but the amount of pages generated at 3 am is like. yall need jesus.

this is funny

[Cephrir]

especially if you see yourself as a threatening townie who scum would want to pocket.

i don't!

[Cephrir]

I do plan to meta Cephrir at some point, I just wasn't saying it because I knew nothing would offend him like threatening to meta read him.

meta is fine, it's just that the past couple years i've seen a lot of folks rely on it solely and refuse to reconsider incorrect reads because they're so convinced they know x player perfectly.

[Cephrir]

Okay so when I cite a large number of games where this happened do I get a large sum of money, or is this exclusively referring to it being you.

the former. i want the receipts.

[Cephrir]

UNVOTE:

-E

Not unvoting because I don't trust CeCo but I've been talking with my partner about... things and I'm rearranging the way I approach the game due to certain... realizations.

please don't make me feel like I need to make a momentum play to get BP day 1.

i just want to note, and please don't think this is me thinking cc is scum because i am not there, that getting the BP has high utility for RCscum as well because he'll want to explain why he's not dead

[Cephrir]

she was a near universal townread in this game despite being obvscum as well. I don't understand why you guys are townreading her. it makes no sense to me.
but i'm not going to let her outlive me.



no she's fucking scum how is it possibly easier for you to believe that i'm being an anti-town douchebag than that shoshin is just scum?

Because we have similar reads, she was doing +gamestate things by engaging with the conversation of who we should baton kill rather than spend like 10 posts complaining about the gamestate?

i don't really think "this person is playing mafia" is a sensible reason to townread someone

[Oh]

Ceph what are you feeling atm?

-Edmund Duke, Alpha Squadron