Baton Pass [Game Over!]

[Shoshin]

I feel like I said that exact thing about Wisdom's townread on you.

[Celestial Coordinates]

rc is town guys. Theres no reason to doubt that.

Why do you think RC's town?

You prodded him about the same set of posts.

[Shoshin]

Eh, I think I wrote out a post that didn't get posted in the flurry of posts at the time.

[Shoshin]

I wrote almost exactly what you said.

[Shoshin]

What's your read on SS, RC?

[Cephrir]

if you townread Shoshin you should put more than a little faith in her read there.

:shrug:

i just don't put that much stock in others' reads. not that i don't care about them, they're a factor, and i might weigh some players' opinions a little more strongly than others. but i'm the only one i know is town.

[Celestial Coordinates]

I can't imagine Wisdom as town actually saying "there is no reason to doubt that." Sounds like it's screw with people later and scum are clearly doing something weird wrt me so.

I wrote almost exactly what you said.

Not sure how to respond to this. I also feel like town you would have 100% anticipated my reaction to your unvote on me and the posts and words that you used.

What's your read on SS, RC?

Town but not cleared.

[Cephrir]

i am starting to get towards wisdom-town, which makes me want to baton him. (oo look at my scary anti-CC scum agenda)

Why town Wisdom?

i don't want to say something lame like "i can always see where he's coming from" so i'll just say i felt town motivation between where i stopped reading last night and now

[Celestial Coordinates]

i don't want to say something lame like "i can always see where he's coming from" so i'll just say i felt town motivation between where i stopped reading last night and now

I think scum rarely take positions where you can't always see where they're coming from.

[Cephrir]

Please explain this progression to me

What RC said.

If RC is town, his reads are probably good, even though he can't explain why he has them.

Conversely, if his strong scumreads flip town, it makes him likely scum.

i object to this because of 1057.

you're putting him on a pedestal even though you just said you don't like that.

[Sakura Hana]

Conversely, if his strong scumreads flip town, it makes him likely scum.

This is untrue, in MG his strong scumread, LE, flipped town, we were town that game.

[Shoshin]

Your flip on Wisdom gives me a sense that you're trying to find enough common ground with me to make it unlikely I push your lynch, RC. Like, why didn't you agree with me about Wisdom when I first engaged you? Why'd you just brush me off? His play wasn't any better at the start of the game.

[Shoshin]

RC's accuracy is closer to 50% than 100%. It's still far above average, but you can't just BoP him hoping to get lucky.

[Celestial Coordinates]

i object to this because of 1057.

you're putting him on a pedestal even though you just said you don't like that.

There's a difference between worshipping and keeping a player's performance as different alignments in context.
I don't worship NSG but I am very slow to oppose a lynch that she feels strongly about.
I don't think all players and all reads are created equal and I find it difficult to believe that you think that they should be treated equally.

Your flip on Wisdom gives me a sense that you're trying to find enough common ground with me to make it unlikely I push your lynch, RC. Like, why didn't you agree with me about Wisdom when I first engaged you? Why'd you just brush me off? His play wasn't any better at the start of the game.

Because I didn't have a read there? What am I supposed to say if I do not have a read there? I got a read because he did scummy stuff.
I never opposed the wagon, I never townread him, I simply didn't have a read one way or another.

This is untrue, in MG his strong scumread, LE, flipped town, we were town that game.

That's out of context with the fact that I had a correct gamestate read (0 scum on the wagon) and every single one of the four scum was in my bottom 6 players.

[Cephrir]

{Gay Dance}
{CC, Wisdom, SS, Sakura}
{Shoshin, Nacho, gameplay(?, can't remember anything he's posted)}
{Oversoul, Goodies, Dannflor}
{PMysterious, YukzYuk}

[Celestial Coordinates]

RC's accuracy is closer to 50% than 100%. It's still far above average, but you can't just BoP him hoping to get lucky.

No one is 100%. It's actually about 60%. I haven't done the math in a while.

[Cephrir]

I don't think all players and all reads are created equal and I find it difficult to believe that you think that they should be treated equally.

i don't.
i guess i might be overreacting.

[Shoshin]

I'm concerned about SS blindly sheeping. Why do you townread this, RC?

[Something_Smart]

you're putting him on a pedestal even though you just said you don't like that.

Maybe we're using "worship" to mean different things then. I know that he knows Shoshin well, and I know that he has a high degree of accuracy in reading people he knows well.

If you think I'm putting him on a pedestal just because I think his reads are usually good, then I guess I am. But I'm not treating him qualitatively different from anyone else, I won't continue to listen to him if his Shoshin read turns out to be wrong, and I won't allow myself to get bullied by him against my better judgement.

[Celestial Coordinates]

I'm concerned about SS blindly sheeping. Why do you townread this, RC?

I know for a fact that this is how he approaches games when he's town and I also am very confident in my ability to catch him as scum, see NSG's game.

[Shoshin]

I'm concerned about SS blindly sheeping. Why do you townread this, RC?

I know for a fact that this is how he approaches games when he's town and I also am very confident in my ability to catch him as scum, see NSG's game.

Link? My impression in undertale was that he's more of an independent thinker.

[Celestial Coordinates]

People actually "worshipping" me is a myth, I wasn't given respect without earning it.

Link? My impression in undertale was that he's more of an independent thinker.

This is specifically wrt my slots.

[Something_Smart]

This is untrue, in MG his strong scumread, LE, flipped town, we were town that game.

I said "likely" not "definitely."

[Shoshin]

Maybe we're using "worship" to mean different things then. I know that he knows Shoshin well, and I know that he has a high degree of accuracy in reading people he knows well.

If you think I'm putting him on a pedestal just because I think his reads are usually good, then I guess I am. But I'm not treating him qualitatively different from anyone else, I won't continue to listen to him if his Shoshin read turns out to be wrong, and I won't allow myself to get bullied by him against my better judgement.

RC's record at reading me isn't as good as it should be for how well he knows me. He repeatedly calls me scum when I'm town, and then doesn't call me scum when I'm scum.

[Celestial Coordinates]

then doesn't call me scum when I'm scum.

this is untrue and you know it to be untrue so I'm not sure why you're saying this.