Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Alisae]

look at it
D1 he ended on LLD
D2 he did vote DGB but he hopped off to SS slot, both slots are town btw
D3 we decided to yololynch chennis and he helped contribute to that
And now honestly, I see this iconeum vote just being flatout opportunistic.

And I'm sorry but

im rereading Krazy's iso in merchant's dance right now and

I was expecting to be able to case him off that

but it's actually way more similar than I thought

In post 538, Dannflor wrote:
Also Krazy just posted two big posts again (about specific players in the game and not mechanics) with 0 reads

One of them was explaining why I don't want to form a read of a player before they have posted lol

Also, I feel like my 'early reads' last time hurt more than helped; while they may have made me townread, I didn't feel like they helped town naturally sort the player list, so I'm trying to be a little bit less pushy on my reads early on this time tbh

I even scum read him for similar reasons I started scum reading him here for

basically idk why but my memory of that game was warped and the tone matches too

this doesn't feel like a natural post

In post 8558, the worst wrote:
PB i am starting to find it legitimately hilarious that you pop up within half an hour of people shading you

it's past like a lame beetlejuicing tell now it's actually fate


Yeah this is a really towny shading post, Ali.

you're literally looking for things to fit your narrative

I didn't like duck's flip on mastina either but this post isn't scummy and isn't shading

And this kind of pushing is flatout scummy.
I feel like there would atleast be more understanding of attempting to understand Iconeum's motivations and his reasonings, but presenting this ironclad of "you are doing X!" doesn't really sit well for me

this whole push from Dannflor just screams some sort of scum agenda.

[Iconeum]

iconeum tried to take a stancehe fell flat on his assthe three of us are standing over himthe gamestate is excited, and he's at the centre of it - this is the right time to sort him

there was a time you'd make an MS PAINT to picture this

i'm used to being in this position and if this game wants to push me, go for it

[the worst]

First I see ducky having a 180 read on Mastina, based on posts made during a time where ducky called mastina 'outside of scumrange'. I know you can change reads, that's not my point. But you are otherwise very adamant on these things, and it's odd to me that you switched your read around when the scumtalk was going on about Mastina, which makes me read it as you setting up a justification for a later vote there.

i was called out on this earlier, and said exactly what i said to you. i changed my mind.
i went back to evaluate why i considered mastina outside of her scumrange and all i saw were never-ending walls of casing stuff which i'm not really sure whether or not she cared about

and it hit me:

she is posting because she wants to be alive.

i can't remember why i had a flash of thinking she was outside her scumrange yday, bluntly. it looks like survivalistic posting on reread. i was never really sure what her actual motive this game has been so i don't really feel like i need to try and reassess her motive - there's a disconnect between mastina and the gamestate - we're playing chess and she's playing checkers - i'm not sure why she's casing the way she is or whether she actually wants it but:

SHE WANTS TO BE ALIVE.



if this piqued your curiosity, why didn't you say so? I think it's a pretty striking call from me and a risky 180 if i'm scum: what's my scum motive for doing a 180 on this read?

why do you assume this is scum!duck, rather than take the opportunity to seek why i'm doing it? and why do you then scumcase me without actually going into your concerns here?

Your engagement with PB also doesn't fall well with me, and I think it's 'beneath' you to call someone out on timing.
I can see this is a misread by me, but the Mastina read isn't.

this is a misread by you: again, what's my evil scumzorz motivation in gently shading PB then trying to engage with him? do i not have anything that looks townier which i could be doing with my time? could i not be doing something to actually secure mislynches?



whether or not it's a misread: even if you assume i did shade him, i don't see why you think it's a scum move.

[Alisae]

okay but dannflor's push is the scummy one?????????????

if ico is town i'll accept chainsawing but i 100% buy the ridiculed response coming from town!dann

ico's minicase of me is literally the wolfiest case i've seen in like. months.

how about Dann's vote history just being preettttttttty bad

dann is kinda
not doing anything poignantly AI

so i'll reevaluate him soon sure, but the gamestate isn't very exciting from the pov of trying to get his alignment right

iconeum tried to take a stance
he fell flat on his ass
the three of us are standing over him

the gamestate is excited, and he's at the centre of it - this is the right time to sort him

Okay tw what is the difference between you sorting him in the way you are doing so, and this

Town catch up posts don't look like Ico's. He's going down the list and commenting on irrelevant things going "I like this," "I don't like this," and asking empty questions. Town catch up posts actually draw conclusions that aren't as forced as his read on the worst are.

Ico, where are the rest of your reads at right now? Just basic scum reads and town reads you don't have to go into everyone

[Iconeum]

Ico, where are the rest of your reads at right now? Just basic scum reads and town reads you don't have to go into everyone

i'll get to that today, meeting in 15

[Gamma Emerald]

we can talk about it later
oog are you ok?

Ok Gamma's vla.

OOG: Those of you who can, check out the general discussion thread, Panic in Baton Rouge. I'm in no situation to help Varsoona out, but maybe y'all are.

I'm OK physically minus broken legs from the same incident that caused the concussion but mentally I'm fried
What is this about Varsoon, le oof

[Dannflor]

I feel like there would atleast be more understanding of attempting to understand Iconeum's motivations and his reasonings, but presenting this ironclad of "you are doing X!" doesn't really sit well for me

i have strong tr on the worst > ico comes in with very forced push on my strong tr

like I'm more than happy for Ico to explain his process and reads here if I'm wrong

but the way he constructed his case feels very unnatural

[Dannflor]

Ico, where are the rest of your reads at right now? Just basic scum reads and town reads you don't have to go into everyone

i'll get to that today, meeting in 15

take your time

I'm just really struggling to see how your progression got from A -> B here today

[Alisae]

I feel like there would atleast be more understanding of attempting to understand Iconeum's motivations and his reasonings, but presenting this ironclad of "you are doing X!" doesn't really sit well for me

i have strong tr on the worst > ico comes in with very forced push on my strong tr

like I'm more than happy for Ico to explain his process and reads here if I'm wrong

but the way he constructed his case feels very unnatural

so why does the worst have to do that dirty work while you do ????????????????????????

[Dannflor]

?

[the worst]

Okay tw what is the difference between you sorting him in the way you are doing so, and this

he's pushing stuff on ico that is kinda....dubiously alignment indicative
also kinda confused as to why he hasn't mentioned this before

they're probably similarish but there's a bigger hole in what ico is posting so i wanna either patch that up or tear it open ez

[Alisae]

asking iconeum for reads isn't engagement?
tw is actually engaging iconeum
you're not really doing that

[the worst]

I'm OK physically minus broken legs from the same incident that caused the concussion but mentally I'm fried

take care of yourself GEmmy.

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: MARIAR

Why

[Alisae]

they're probably similarish but there's a bigger hole in what ico is posting so i wanna either patch that up or tear it open ez

Well it seems you and Dann aren't on the same page and that might have to do with something similar to alignment?

[the worst]

Why

keep goin'

they're probably similarish but there's a bigger hole in what ico is posting so i wanna either patch that up or tear it open ez

Well it seems you and Dann aren't on the same page and that might have to do with something similar to alignment?

possibly yes but iconeum is like, substantially more sortable rn compared to how sortable he was ~an hour ago

this is a valuable gamestate - i'm really happy to look at dann in-depth afterwards

[Gamma Emerald]

I want to 1v1 Mastina so I can get out of this game.
Alisae knows I'm town. But no one's gonna listen to Ali so I just want to 1v1 Mastina cause zzzz

I kinda think you are town

[Alisae]

I'm not telling you to stop sorting Iconeum, and you can continue to do that.
if anything I see you sorting Iconeum, and I see someone who is not really sorting iconeum

idunno ducky, which one is scum, the one sorting Iconeum, or the one who isn't sorting Iconeum?

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually wait fuck
One second

[Dannflor]

i feel like my posts are not really being read

[the worst]

i mean i think my rxn to ico is townier than dann's but like...

pedit: basically ^^^^ this post ^^^^ is why i want to evaluate dann after; i can't focus on him enough while i'm seeing a red dragonite

[Dannflor]

im going to bed

not in the mindset to properly engage with anyone rnow without getting frustrated

I'll respond to ali, ico whoever in the morning

[Gamma Emerald]

OK so I thought I was gonna end up flipping that again but I actually feel even better about Maria
In Heart of Light and Shadow MariaR had a complete opposite approach to ouread meta bond, and she flipped scum. I thus believe this game is her genuine approach to me, and she is probably town by that.

[Alisae]

i mean i think my rxn to ico is townier than dann's but like...

pedit: basically ^^^^ this post ^^^^ is why i want to evaluate dann after; i can't focus on him enough while i'm seeing a red dragonite

okay well, I'm just doing Ali things.
You do
ur things

[the worst]

OK so I thought I was gonna end up flipping that again but I actually feel even better about Maria
In Heart of Light and Shadow MariaR had a complete opposite approach to ouread meta bond, and she flipped scum. I thus believe this game is her genuine approach to me, and she is probably town by that.

how would you expect Maria to approach this if she was scum here
just hypothetically