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[Tchill13]

ehhhhh actually i'm not such a fan of these

whats your issue?

[Tchill13]

scum is not gonna loudly tunnel a different person every day phase that is a horrible strategy.

eh i'm p sure it's just robb's playstyle, and that he does just that as both alignments. i'm not sure he actually has a strategy when he does it

ok. someone who isnt imprisoned by their meta isnt gonna tunnel as scum every day phase.

I'll die on that hill. loudly tunneling every day phase isnt a good strat. thats in a scenarion that presumes town doesnt have their head in their ass. not sure why I'd ever assume that here.

[PMysterious]

Again, like Flavor, Tchill never answered the question I had for him, which is a problem for me. A big problem.

why is this such a problem for you?
or, asked differently, why do you view this as a scummy act

Dodging the question feels like they have something to hide. That is why it is a problem when they don't answer. As long as it doesn't retain to your role, then there's nothing to hide. I don't want to know the exact roles of players, all I want is to believe that the players are Town. By not answering the questions I have, I start to lose faith in any potential Town reads.

[Luca Blight]

Given that we have a slight extension on the deadline, I’m gonna unvote and allow Flavor to catch-up properly.

UNVOTE:

I still find the Flavor slot dubious, but the wagon doesn’t feel brilliant to be honest.

PM is still probably my favoured Lynch overall but no-one else seems to want it. I don’t like how he pops in with a post and then disappears for a couple of days. He is deliberately doing the bare minimum to get by.

why the unvote? why dont you feel brilliant about the flavor lynch? Youre not too fired up about anyone else. Looks like you unvoted just to unvote.

I literally explained all this in the very post you quoted, through I don’t know why I’m even bothering replying to you when you’ve ignored every question I’ve put to you.

I was hoping you could go more in depth.

"wagon doesnt feel brilliant" is what i was asking to be explained.

its hard for me to want to interact with you when i ask for explanation, You say you already explained but your explanation is "wagon doesnt feel brilliant" which is very shallow in terms of thought. Then you act like im the problem. idc. It just gets old.

If you expect thorough explanations from others then perhaps you should practice what you preach?

I think it was obvious enough what I meant. I didn’t TR anyone who had joined me on the wagon (although I TR few players in general this game) and it therefore didn’t feel great to me. I don’t know why I’m even wasting my time responding to you when you’re deliberately avoiding questions that have been put to you.

[Luca Blight]

i dont care to answer lucas questions atm.

Fall soul slot needs a PR action regardless of who replaces into it.

Robb has not done anything AI.

Vork and flavor need rope.

PM is probably town. I like skitter for town too.

Skitter has said stuff I agree with on a reread.

What the hell, you put Flavor at l-1 without even realizing he had replaced into Fallsoul’s slot?

kinda crazy that im judging FL on... FL's play in this game. mind blowing method ik.

You put Flavor to L-1 without even knowing he was in the same slot as FallSoul, which gives me the feeling your ‘scumhunting’ isn’t genuine. You’ve just gone for the easiest option out there without even considering the total value of the slot. It’s either terrible Town play or lazy scum play.

[Luca Blight]

so 4 of us have been weary of vork scum the majority of d2.

flub has done little to nothing. FL replaced into a suspicious slot in a lifeless manner.

prob 2 scum in Vork/FL/Flubb

if 3 scum probably one in havo/skitter/Robbvna (cus im not perfect)

both lists are in order of suspicion.

Vork def needs to be the lynch this day phase given 4 ppl have fos'd him pretty consistently. He flips scum im looking at Havo/flubb.

Vork flips town im looking at FL/Flubb/(if a 3rd) Skitter

What happened to your SR of me? Your read progressions make no sense, not helped by the fact you explain nothing.

Fallsoul was a suspicious slot? You’ve only taken this stance since you found out Flavor replaced into that slot. You’re changing your views to fit your narrative.

[Luca Blight]

So we haven’t lynched Vork yet?

Not sure what the hold up is.

Oh wait, I see it.

Luca wanted to sort Tchill. That’s a good play, and with all the spewing Tchill just did Luca should be satisfied or close too it.

Nothing about Tchill’s spew makes me feel any better about him at all. I disagree with his reads and I feel like he’s plucking them out of his backside half the time. His progression on certain slots such as mine, Flavor’s and PM’s feels scummy to me. He was vanity voting me for most of this day phase and had me as his joint highest scumread without every actively pushing for my Lynch, and then suddenly drops even the thought that I might be scum since he’s re-entered the thread, without any update or explanation as to why.

[PMysterious]

i dont care to answer lucas questions atm.

Fall soul slot needs a PR action regardless of who replaces into it.

Robb has not done anything AI.

Vork and flavor need rope.

PM is probably town. I like skitter for town too.

Skitter has said stuff I agree with on a reread.

What the hell, you put Flavor at l-1 without even realizing he had replaced into Fallsoul’s slot?

kinda crazy that im judging FL on... FL's play in this game. mind blowing method ik.

You put Flavor to L-1 without even knowing he was in the same slot as FallSoul, which gives me the feeling your ‘scumhunting’ isn’t genuine. You’ve just gone for the easiest option out there without even considering the total value of the slot. It’s either terrible Town play or lazy scum play.

Looking at this myself, and now I am confused myself. How does someone NOT know who replaces a certain slot? The fact this issue came up is concerning, and I'm the guy that started the Flavor wagon. In fact, you were also on the Azure wagon, and when you voted, you said the following.

VOTE: azuresky

I approve of this tunnel. Just messing with Robb a bit it's been a while since we played.

This goes to Luca's point that I put at the top. It seemed like you were taking the easy way out there too. Considering that Day 1 was a rather short day in terms to actual length (not by number of posts), I'd say that it worked out.

Dodging my question, despite being more active than Flavor, dodging other people's questions, and even being on two wagons, one of which you didn't even know the actual reason the wagon was being pushed.

They might not mean much individually, but in this case, they add up to see a scummy player. Is there any reason why we should not lynch Tchill?

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: vork

i didnt realize FL replaced into fallsoul.

FL is prob the best or next target besides Flubb.

He then puts another slot to L-1 without announcing it, soon after the VC meaning there is no excuse. This feels like a pretty scummy thing to do.

[Luca Blight]

We have ten hours left and I’m soon to be V/LA. I think I’m sticking with my Tchill vote at this stage but hopefully we can reach a Lynch one way or another before deadline. My reads are currently as follows:

I TR Robb, because if I can’t Tr the only other player who’s been on a similar wavelength to me this game and tried to make stuff happen then I might as well throw in the towel.

PM’s recent suspicion of Tchill makes me feel a bit better about him, but still far from convinced.

The Flavor slot has been terrible generally this game and deserves to be lynched, but in a way it feels ‘too easy’ to be scum. Maybe worth looking into again on D3.

Flubbernugget is a null read and will probably remain that way. Just not enough content to get a clear read on him, but I would be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

Havo has been rubbing me up the wrong way a bit. Probably because I disagree with a lot of what he says. I don’t likes his opinions on Skitter or Tchill, and his popping in and out feels like scum doing just enough to look busy.

Skitter has posted more than most but I can’t remember anything particularly meaningful she has said. I could definitely see this kind of playstyle (probing without actually doing much) coming from scum.

I don’t like Vorkuta’s content generally. I have a feeling he is Town based on the lack of general activity this day phase when he’s been the main wagon and his apparent lack of survivalism. I feel like he could have made life easier for himself here as scum.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: vork

i didnt realize FL replaced into fallsoul.

FL is prob the best or next target besides Flubb.

He then puts another slot to L-1 without announcing it, soon after the VC meaning there is no excuse. This feels like a pretty scummy thing to do.

how many games are we gonna have to play where you realize i dont play scum in an obv scum manner?

youll just reply with "meta manipulation". it never ends.

[Tchill13]

Again, like Flavor, Tchill never answered the question I had for him, which is a problem for me. A big problem.

why is this such a problem for you?
or, asked differently, why do you view this as a scummy act

Dodging the question feels like they have something to hide. That is why it is a problem when they don't answer. As long as it doesn't retain to your role, then there's nothing to hide. I don't want to know the exact roles of players, all I want is to believe that the players are Town. By not answering the questions I have, I start to lose faith in any potential Town reads.

I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.

[Tchill13]

i dont care to answer lucas questions atm.

Fall soul slot needs a PR action regardless of who replaces into it.

Robb has not done anything AI.

Vork and flavor need rope.

PM is probably town. I like skitter for town too.

Skitter has said stuff I agree with on a reread.

What the hell, you put Flavor at l-1 without even realizing he had replaced into Fallsoul’s slot?

kinda crazy that im judging FL on... FL's play in this game. mind blowing method ik.

You put Flavor to L-1 without even knowing he was in the same slot as FallSoul, which gives me the feeling your ‘scumhunting’ isn’t genuine. You’ve just gone for the easiest option out there without even considering the total value of the slot. It’s either terrible Town play or lazy scum play.

call me terrible town idc.

FL and Vork are the scummies slots in the game and ive already shown theyre both probably scum independently.

[Tchill13]

i dont care to answer lucas questions atm.

Fall soul slot needs a PR action regardless of who replaces into it.

Robb has not done anything AI.

Vork and flavor need rope.

PM is probably town. I like skitter for town too.

Skitter has said stuff I agree with on a reread.

What the hell, you put Flavor at l-1 without even realizing he had replaced into Fallsoul’s slot?

kinda crazy that im judging FL on... FL's play in this game. mind blowing method ik.

You put Flavor to L-1 without even knowing he was in the same slot as FallSoul, which gives me the feeling your ‘scumhunting’ isn’t genuine. You’ve just gone for the easiest option out there without even considering the total value of the slot. It’s either terrible Town play or lazy scum play.

Looking at this myself, and now I am confused myself. How does someone NOT know who replaces a certain slot? The fact this issue came up is concerning, and I'm the guy that started the Flavor wagon. In fact, you were also on the Azure wagon, and when you voted, you said the following.

VOTE: azuresky

I approve of this tunnel. Just messing with Robb a bit it's been a while since we played.

This goes to Luca's point that I put at the top. It seemed like you were taking the easy way out there too. Considering that Day 1 was a rather short day in terms to actual length (not by number of posts), I'd say that it worked out.

Dodging my question, despite being more active than Flavor, dodging other people's questions, and even being on two wagons, one of which you didn't even know the actual reason the wagon was being pushed.

They might not mean much individually, but in this case, they add up to see a scummy player. Is there any reason why we should not lynch Tchill?

because someone isnt scum just because theyre scummy.

in fact, SCUM's priority is being towny. TOWN's priority is LYNCHING scum. Scummy doesnt equal scum. towny doesnt equal town.

[Tchill13]

this is my issue with being ok with "surace lvl" play. I dont claim to be better than the next guy. I will say sometimes "surface lvl" just isnt enough.

[Tchill13]

We have ten hours left and I’m soon to be V/LA. I think I’m sticking with my Tchill vote at this stage but hopefully we can reach a Lynch one way or another before deadline. My reads are currently as follows:

I TR Robb, because if I can’t Tr the only other player who’s been on a similar wavelength to me this game and tried to make stuff happen then I might as well throw in the towel.

PM’s recent suspicion of Tchill makes me feel a bit better about him, but still far from convinced.

The Flavor slot has been terrible generally this game and deserves to be lynched, but in a way it feels ‘too easy’ to be scum. Maybe worth looking into again on D3.

Flubbernugget is a null read and will probably remain that way. Just not enough content to get a clear read on him, but I would be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

Havo has been rubbing me up the wrong way a bit. Probably because I disagree with a lot of what he says. I don’t likes his opinions on Skitter or Tchill, and his popping in and out feels like scum doing just enough to look busy.

Skitter has posted more than most but I can’t remember anything particularly meaningful she has said. I could definitely see this kind of playstyle (probing without actually doing much) coming from scum.

I don’t like Vorkuta’s content generally. I have a feeling he is Town based on the lack of general activity this day phase when he’s been the main wagon and his apparent lack of survivalism. I feel like he could have made life easier for himself here as scum.

the bold's logic has issues.

you're handing out a TR out of desparity. Vorks town for a lack of activity. lack of survivalism is towny wouldnt you say? Scum should act towny right?

underlined is luca stating he's ok with potentially having multiple low content slots in a possible lylo.

lot of FOS'ing. 1 TR out of desparity. Only thing Luca feels good about is me as scum. can't even explain his TR confidently.

[Tchill13]

vork or FL should be the lynch.

the other should be PR'd.

Flub/(FL/vork) probably wont ever be NK'd.

[Havo]

Vork, Fall and Flub.

I’d like to hear more from Tchill

weren't you just saying that a pool of vork and fall is weak?

@havo

Yep, they were the “easy” pushes at the time and it was early in the day. But here we are at the end of the say and nothing much has changed in my reads.

My reads town to scum

Skitter
Tchill
Luca
Robb
PM
Flub
Flavor
Vork

[Havo]

So we haven’t lynched Vork yet?

Not sure what the hold up is.

Oh wait, I see it.

Luca wanted to sort Tchill. That’s a good play, and with all the spewing Tchill just did Luca should be satisfied or close too it.

Nothing about Tchill’s spew makes me feel any better about him at all. I disagree with his reads and I feel like he’s plucking them out of his backside half the time. His progression on certain slots such as mine, Flavor’s and PM’s feels scummy to me. He was vanity voting me for most of this day phase and had me as his joint highest scumread without every actively pushing for my Lynch, and then suddenly drops even the thought that I might be scum since he’s re-entered the thread, without any update or explanation as to why.

This reads to me like you are holding a grudge against him for sorting you. Kinda the way Robb does at times. People push Robb and he responds by death tunneling them. Lol.

I Have played with Tchill a lot, he’s town IMO. But you play the way you feel best. I think you’re both town.

[Tchill13]

I'll give luca that. I'm usually not a super linear player, i dont explain everything.

I dont see PM's play coming from scum.

Not sure how my progression on FL could seem scummy.

as for why your not scum luca theres just bigger fish to fry. I didnt give much thought to you at all during my catch up tbh.

[Tchill13]

what has vork or FL done that would be considered trying to lynch scum actively. weight that against how much effort either have them have put into looking like town.

[Vorkuta]

3 hours until the deadline and there's literally nothing...

[Vorkuta]

VOTE: papa leaf

[Luca Blight]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[Skygazer]

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