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[DrDolittle]

i liked ur avatar

[DrDolittle]

you assume tw is sheeping material in this game for no reason

well hes the only one who responded, so

[Nibbui]

i liked ur avatar

the old one or this one?

i liked the old one too but i love to bits the one i'm using as well (it's "otan" from DDD btw)

[Nibbui]

you assume tw is sheeping material in this game for no reason

well hes the only one who responded, so

how do you feel about voting teacher or bingle

[Nibbui]

it's about time i made a readlist but i don't have enough town leans for that

rn i have skitt and emps and that's it

more confident on emps than in skitt

[Nibbui]

re:read ISO and I think this is a better idea

VOTE: bingle

[Bingle]

Bingle is doing this sly thing of being obtuse about me and i feel like he wants me to react to it & i think it's in bad-faith bc he has seen me in panic room and know that i get real flustered to people scum reading me like that (awested or something there did that, one of RAS alts if i remember right), i was more or less in the right track that game and bc of frustation (some rl problems as well), i stopped trying.

Nah. I like your moxy tho.

[Bingle]

solid vote, what makes ya cast it?

A bunch a little things, but the biggest one is:

I’d be worried if you were townreading me.

VOTE: nibbui

[Bingle]

Ok, why dont you?

:thorface:

[Bingle]

Townread:
- Skitter30 (Stance of actively solving the game. Very reasonable logic behind her posts.)
- Nibbui (I was unsure at first, but I've started liking him more and more, town attitude)

Light townread:
- Teacher (Had a crappy RVS wagon piled on him from day 1. Could be scum bussing him, but i think it's more likely he's town based on this fact. I can't find much else to comment on based on reading into his ISO.)
- The Worst (He seems very excited about playing this. If he prefers playing town then i believe he is in this game.)

Neutral/Unsure:
- Emperor Flippynips (Leaning scum, but i've played a game where he was like this. Just posting memes and being very low activity when it comes to producing actual content. Has a scummy towngame IMO.)
- Egix96 (Leaning town, but he hasn't said a lot so i'm putting him as neutral)
- ceejayvinoya (Low activity terrible slot, but i can't just properly read him based on nothing. Neutral for now)
- Bingle (I don't understand anything this dude says. Could be scum intentionally being obfuscating. Or he's town with a very peculiar form of behavior i just can't fathom properly)
- DrDolittle (Almost no content to speak of. Speak up more guy.)

Light scumread:
- Menalque (I want to know whether i just don't like this guy's atttude in general or whether i am correctly scumreading him. His bad excuses to aggressively push townies piss me off.)
- Wickedestjr (I get the vibe that Skitter and Nibbui has been mentioning. Has the time to complain about the gamestate but not actively participating in it.)
- Blatant Scum (Shitty slot. All he's done so far is sheeping a vote with not much behind it and typing 1 sentence posts that don't add much.)

This is the kind of garbage-y reads list that probably comes from town, FWIW.

Also, I'm pretty sure you're wrong on just about everything.

[Nibbui]

When I look at Norwegian, Drdolittle, Wicked, TW i get the feeling "it's not a bad vote" but there's not that *click* feeling of 'i gotcha you". It's kind of like how people were voting shiny things in micro 840/panic room and forgetting the scumfucks acting cute around the stage, respectively sheep and roster

rn I think bingle is pretending to participate in the game while not really participating but still giving that feeling of "hi i'm gamesolving yes". Not revealing even one of his reads just make it possible for him to skip the most valuable part to read people for in d1: how they gradually form their reads and changes them between each page.

He seems to plan to just give a readlist later apparently while saying "this person is town for X" or "this person feels bad for Y". I heavily dislike how instead of drawing bad attention like tw you seem to be projecting the image of someone doing anything remotely useful and thus "above being called out for it".

p-edit: still posting useless stuff

[Bingle]

p-edit: still posting useless stuff

Yup.

[Nibbui]

Bingle let's say you are town

what you would be doing different here as scum?

I think you're experienced enough to know that helping too much as scum is a drawback even if you get town credit, and that rn in early would be harder to fake genuine convos with skitt/tw/me than to later just post "heavy-content based reads".

[skitter30]

VOTE: drdolittle

are you literally saying that you haven't any feelings toward any slot?

I'm actually ok with ddl here

[Bingle]

I heavily dislike how instead of drawing bad attention like tw you seem to be projecting the image of someone doing anything remotely useful and thus "above being called out for it".

Tell me more about this, tho. I feel like I'm doing pretty much the exact opposite of pretending to be useful.

[skitter30]

Ok, why dont you?

:thorface:

I have no idea how to interpret that

[Nibbui]

I heavily dislike how instead of drawing bad attention like tw you seem to be projecting the image of someone doing anything remotely useful and thus "above being called out for it".

Tell me more about this, tho. I feel like I'm doing pretty much the exact opposite of pretending to be useful.

"being useful" and "remotely useful" are very different things.

being useful makes you the center of the stage

being remotely/vaguely useful allows you to keep posting without wagons piling on you, while also being very hard to get a look through your head or point out mistakes

[Bingle]

what you would be doing different here as scum?

I think you're experienced enough to know that helping too much as scum is a drawback even if you get town credit, and that rn in early would be harder to fake genuine convos with skitt/tw/me than to later just post "heavy-content based reads".

Absolutely nothing.

Also, there's no such thing as helping too much as scum. The best thing you can do as scum is scumhunt, and faking genuine conversations is easy if you can actually disassociate the knowledge of the scumteam. I am capable of this.

[Nibbui]

We were categorizing tw as completely useless until he started to post and people began voting him/scum leaning him/suspecting him

people had said "i need more from bingle" but no one seems to have put you below or above null

my theory makes sense and you should know better

[skitter30]

Jingle's posting feels agenda-y
I'm not sure it's a scum agenda, inherently, but i think he's trying to accomplish ~something~
Idk what the ~something~ is tho

[Bingle]

being remotely/vaguely useful allows you to keep posting without wagons piling on you, while also being very hard to get a look through your head or point out mistakes

Sure, but I don't think I'm trying to look vaguely useful either. I think I'm trying to look obtuse as fuck. And succeeding.

[Bingle]

Jingle's posting feels agenda-y
I'm not sure it's a scum agenda, inherently, but i think he's trying to accomplish ~something~
Idk what the ~something~ is tho

[Bingle]

Ok, why dont you?

:thorface:

I have no idea how to interpret that

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=73690

[Nibbui]

I think he is trying to accomplish make people feeling like he is trying to accomplish something to afterwards put a hat and smirk while saying "it was all part of the plan".

i don't read people by their reads too much, more about how they gradually form them or posts that happen while they are engaging each other.

I think faking logical reads is super easy compared to engaging someone in a convo

[skitter30]

Yes but it's also making it incrdibly hard to try to read you