Open 768: C9++ [GAME OVER]

[Menalque]

Eh. This isn't a defence of tw. This is an attack on skitter. I could get tw off the hook if that was my goal a lot more easily.

I mean the fact that you made your case right after I’d voted ducky post-talking to her and she was giving reasons for scum duck

Kinda makes me feel like it is

[skitter30]

skitt why you stopped talking

to get on my pc so i could pick that apart, it wasn't going to happen on my phone

[skitter30]

btw this isn't really me thinking you're tw buddy or something

i think it's more likely you're skitt buddy than tw rn although the early interaction between you two just screams that you aren't the same alignment

i'm paranoid of tw/jingle

[Nibbui]

i think tw/jingle is a bit too obvious

not impossible but...

[Menalque]

@norway

Actually you got me there, I had BS and flipperz mixed up in my head because they were the other ones voting you. I liked 176 by flipperz and it’s enough for him to be town for now

Teacher I SR for tone which means he’s prob town, plus I liked him calling out the that your TR on him was bad rather than just accepting it

You’re gonna take me a little more time to explain but it’s p clearly there if you wanna read any of the posts in my ISO about you

[Menalque]

Skitt how are you feeling about me?

[skitter30]

@norwegian, my issues with your readslist are:

- i'm not sure why me and nibbui are town for pushing wicked
- that isn't a good reason to townread me
- there's no reason to townread teacher for being an rvs wagon here
- i disagree that the duck seems to be enthusiastic about this game for him
- not sure why bs is the worst offender of being low-activity/empty posting

despite all that recent posts make me think you're kinda townie so

[skitter30]

Skitt how are you feeling about me?

probably town

[Menalque]

I’m feeling kinda uncomfortable that you’re not being more paranoid of me tbh

Like I feel like you’re a little too happy to just take me TRing you and run w/ that and I kinda also feel that’s slightly more likely from scum!you as an approach towards me after 51/53 where going after my nislynch helped me to identify you as scum

[Bingle]

Voting skitt because she’s “in her scumrange” is a terrible reason to vote her

It wouldn't be, if I was trying to push her to be readable.

It isn't, by itself, the reason I'm voting her here though.

[Menalque]

@norwegian, my issues with your readslist are:

- i'm not sure why me and nibbui are town for pushing wicked
- that isn't a good reason to townread me
- there's no reason to townread teacher for being an rvs wagon here
- i disagree that the duck seems to be enthusiastic about this game for him
- not sure why bs is the worst offender of being low-activity/empty posting

despite all that recent posts make me think you're kinda townie so

But then equally you feel right in your interactions with me and I think I’m mindmelding with you a lot on stuff like this

But then idk if after last game I would now be high enough up on your list to be someone you’d aim to pocket

[Bingle]

- scum!him, as far as i'm aware, isn't as capable of sustained nuanced thought as town!him, he's made several posts that hit that threshold of nuance
- he's saying a lot of the thinga that i'm thinking, which is reassuring - it makes me feel like he's approaching the game from the same pov that i am (and i know my pov is town)
- he felt kinda self-righteous in his thing with menalque

The one thing i'm slightly wary of is i think scum!him tries to, and can, pocket me, so i'm watching out for that

Points:

1. Nuanced thoughts: sure. Point at all of the sustained nuanced thoughts from BEFORE the strong townread.

2. He's saying the things you're thinking after you're saying them, from what I can tell. He's pushing me to be readable, when clearly you're not super concerned. He's echoing you in 327, but reverse resonance isn't a towntell. So what, pray tell, is proccing the resonance?

3. This is NAI, and you know that.

4. You're telling me why you're paranoid of your strong townread? Really?

No part of this seems not made up from where I sit.

[skitter30]

fair enough

i think i have a p good bead on what town!you looks like now, and i'm p sure this is it

i think you're p much always going to be paranoid of me here given the last two games, and i would probably be putting in an effort to pocket u if i was scum here

and unless you drastically changed your approach to me i don't think town!you *wouldn't* be professing to townread here so

or in other words: i do think this is town!you, i do think you're probably paranoid, and i think you're right to be paranoid

i'm aware this isn't particularly helpful

pedit @ menalque

[skitter30]

@norwegian, my issues with your readslist are:

- i'm not sure why me and nibbui are town for pushing wicked
- that isn't a good reason to townread me
- there's no reason to townread teacher for being an rvs wagon here
- i disagree that the duck seems to be enthusiastic about this game for him
- not sure why bs is the worst offender of being low-activity/empty posting

despite all that recent posts make me think you're kinda townie so

But then equally you feel right in your interactions with me and I think I’m mindmelding with you a lot on stuff like this

But then idk if after last game I would now be high enough up on your list to be someone you’d aim to pocket

you would be, you were only mislynchable because of the thing with teacher, if you weren't the desginated day2 mislynch and/or if masons didn't claim you would have been a p decent nk candidate

[skitter30]

- scum!him, as far as i'm aware, isn't as capable of sustained nuanced thought as town!him, he's made several posts that hit that threshold of nuance
- he's saying a lot of the thinga that i'm thinking, which is reassuring - it makes me feel like he's approaching the game from the same pov that i am (and i know my pov is town)
- he felt kinda self-righteous in his thing with menalque

The one thing i'm slightly wary of is i think scum!him tries to, and can, pocket me, so i'm watching out for that

Points:

1. Nuanced thoughts: sure. Point at all of the sustained nuanced thoughts from BEFORE the strong townread.

2. He's saying the things you're thinking after you're saying them, from what I can tell. He's pushing me to be readable, when clearly you're not super concerned. He's echoing you in 327, but reverse resonance isn't a towntell. So what, pray tell, is proccing the resonance?

3. This is NAI, and you know that.

4. You're telling me why you're paranoid of your strong townread? Really?

No part of this seems not made up from where I sit.

1. yes, that's what prompted the townread
2. some of the things he's said before i said it. and i don't expect to mindmeld with him on everything ,that would be a ridiculous expectation, so i'm not sure why you're highlighting that here. do you want specific posts or something?
3. it felt townie to me
4. yes. and this is unusual or scum indicative for me because _____ ?
5. ok.

[Bingle]

you're wary of me because you don't know what I'm thinking, not because you think I'm scum,

true, explain why this is scum indicative

Everything about the way you've danced around me is how scum dances around somebody they think is competent when they don't see their trajectory.

or i think you're competant so i can give you some space beause you're obviously doing ~something~

I'm pretty sure these two things together illustrate my point. You're wary, and instead of trying to figure out what I'm doing (Nibbui) or actively trying to give me the space I need to accomplish what I'm working on by sharing that thought with Nibbui (No one) you back off and let someone else poke the tiger.

Nibbui asked you for assistance with pressuring me. And you said no. If you thought I was scum pulling strings, I would expect town skitter to want to solve that. If you thought I was town pulling strings I would expect town skitter to not be afraid of being in the fallout.

Instead, you backed out of the interaction, because you were unsure if it was threatening to you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@norwegian, my issues with your readslist are:

- i'm not sure why me and nibbui are town for pushing wicked ###

Because you two seem like you're trying to genuinely solve the game. Remember that this is a day 1 read, don't take it too serious.

- that isn't a good reason to townread me ###

For me right now it is. If you disagree with my assessment and would like to prove to me that you are in fact scum, go ahead and convince me so. I won't stop ya.

- there's no reason to townread teacher for being an rvs wagon here ###

You're right, it's not. I've changed my read on him.

- i disagree that the duck seems to be enthusiastic about this game for him ###

Why do you disagree about that? Do you think he was faking his enthusiasm in his opening posts? I don't see why that's something scum would think of doing. Unless that's a normal thing to do here?

- not sure why bs is the worst offender of being low-activity/empty posting ###

Ok listen up, so the low activity slots are Ceejay, Blatant Scum, Egrix, Emperor and DrDolittle. Two of them seem like they just don't care or pay much attention -> (Ceejay, DrDoolittle) Two of them seem like they are sort of lurking but pay attention to what's going on -> (Egrix, Emperor) and one of them pays attention and participates in wagons but doesn't really justify anything he does -> (Blatant scum) So you tell me who looks the worst here.

[Bingle]

I do want specific posts, skitter. And I want them from before the townread was outed as strong.

I do think that being waffly on a townread that merits the adjective strong is scum indicative in general. You yourself noted that I don't have recent experience with you, so I'm going by baseline 'talented player'.

[Bingle]

Blatant scum's IDGAF attitude is actually a minor towntell. I wouldn't put much stock given the username, but it's not really a reason to scumread him.

[skitter30]

Meh
Maybe jingle is town
I am not confident in this and i disagree with how ur approaching the game tho

this was my way of giving you space
it was p obvious that you were being recalitrant on purpose at that stage. i'm not sure what you think me questioning you was going to add to the proceedings given that you didn't want to answer anything

i did poke at you a few times, and you responded with things like :thorface:, and by being purposefully obtuse. i'm not sure why you're expecting me to do the same thing repeatedly when i'd already gotten the same response several times

i'm not sure why you're framing this as scum!me not wanting to 'poke the tiger' and is instead choosing to back off because i dont' want to be caught in the crossfire when i'd tried to engage you several times before that.

pedit @jingle

[Bingle]

I do want specific posts, skitter. And I want them from before the townread was outed as strong.

[skitter30]

Spoiler:

Glancing at ISOs I'm a little surprised you call yourself a spamposter. What makes you think you qualify for the title.

I'm usually the top poster if people like tw or RC aren't in the game

and even when they are, if we're gonna count words instead of posts I'm pretty confident I can win often

my posts are longer than theirs usually, but more or less at the same frequency

I got more laidback nowadays though...

...

I think.

townie for him

This game is so laidback rn that it's like...

precious.

i'm gonna take a screenshot and post "do you feel old yet?" when we start post-game rants about who is to blame for the mislynches.

townie for him

ok my early read on ceejay plan failed

VOTE: duck

what are you serious about? let me get through your bird head

i like the vote at this time

UNVOTE:

I feel like I'm the only one tryharding and it's just sad

townie for him

Just logged in morning to check real quick

Hey everyone!

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How did Nibbui feel about it?

NAI

A couple of initial reactions:

Nibbui: Damn boi, you talk a lot of garbage.

By garbage you mean my early reads/reaching is bs in your pov or i just post too much noise?

don't count on it Nor, Mr. Bbui is tragically scum aligned.

VOTE: the worst

You had asked me how i feel about your wagon now that I think about it and the answer is Bingle might or not have a reason and the rest are sheeping bc of, idk, wagons?

This is actually a more serious vote though

In most normal-lenght games I think you begin by SR'ing me along with some people and gradually it changes to a TR, but here I think you're just trying to emulate that behavior bc you think I would get sus if you started town leaning me too easy

If this is a joke you're just again being kind of dismissive to me trying to reach/engage you and in a more "bad-faith" way than before

I'm not even as cheeky as I used to in my op posts so I don't think you have any real reason to what you're doing rn. it just feels forced/fake.

No, actually you’ve explained why you think ducky is scum, mostly based on meta with you

I want you to explain why he’s being anti-town in what he’s doing

Hmm, I don't think I can explain why duck is more likely scum than town to me rn without using meta

from a objective pov you can say something like "he is not making a effort to engage or explain what he is thinking" but that's more about being ""protown"" than being actually town or scum.

what is irking me is essentially the fact that i don't see why duck wouldn't act otherwise here.

It's a pretty personal read you could say.

this explanation of his tw townread was ridiculously townie

i think skitter is giving town reads a bit too easy but i don't really remember much of how she usually is in that regard

jingle what's your read on me and tw

at least give me that to work with

i like that he's questioning you and tw here

don't out it yet skitter

too early for a real wagon

anyway, I just felt like Wicked was only coming to thread to ask pointless questions to apparently random people he picks up, not really getting on what is being discussed, while also vaguely talking about the game state. I wanted to see how long he would do it without being called out for bc that would directly impact to my confidence on my read there.

It was like when I called skygazer or montosh too early for what they were doing wrong, and couldn't give a good enough case or get that much confident on what i had

this whole wicked thing was v similar to how i was reading him, but came through a different, but believeable and natural thought process.

this is one of the things that made me feel like he's approaching the thread the same way as me - he came to the same conclusion using a slightly different set of reference points, and thus approached it differently, but it was the same read

this is the one that made me feel like he's approaching the game similarly to me ^

and i think around here i declared him a strong townread iirc

@jingle

pedit good god just wait a few minutes

[skitter30]

I do think that being waffly on a townread that merits the adjective strong is scum indicative in general. You yourself noted that I don't have recent experience with you, so I'm going by baseline 'talented player'.

i can tell
this isn't a scumtell for me

[Nibbui]

jingle you've give now us a read but it's doing what i said you would do:

you came with a read complete and since you have no really readable content in your ISO before this, you only assume the accusatory part of this trial.

very very different and less readable than engaging someone while going through the motions of a read

i think scum!jingle definitely knows that too

but...hm, the part about skitt not poking you too much makes sense tbh

[Bingle]

i think scum!jingle definitely knows that too

Well, yeah. I outright said that scumjingle does exactly the same thing here.