Open 768: C9++ [GAME OVER]

[Wickedestjr]

Iirc, teacher accused Norway of buddying him by falsely mentioning an RVS wagon. There was never an RVS wagon on teacher. From teacher's pov, I don't see why Norway-scum would intentionally make something up like that that's so easily refutable. It's hard to believe.

This post also felt weird to me for some reason. It's the reason why I was asking him about his skitter read earlier.

And I'm not crazy about Bingle's vote for skitter. I've played with him a few times and can't remember him playing like this and refusing to share reads like he was doing. His play overall feels off to me.

[Wickedestjr]

Where are you at right now?

[Wickedestjr]

And ftr, I have much more that I want to say and do once I have more time. These are just my sparknotes answers.

[the worst]

if i threw a readlist together atm it'd be some level of fake; too many moving pieces and too much in flux

i agree with your teacher read but i like his probing questions, kinda leaving him to do his own thing a little bit. after our very first game together i'm very wary of teacher - he can do a lot of damage as UTR scum.

don't really see scum motive from bingle either rn so i don't really agree with a scumread on him but i still wouldn't say i townread him necessarily. i'm being stingy so far.

[teacher]

after our very first game together i'm very wary of teacher - he can do a lot of damage as UTR scum.

??
I don’t think you were in normal 2016?
I don’t think I’ve rolled scum against you?

[teacher]

From teacher's pov, I don't see why Norway-scum would intentionally make something up like that that's so easily refutable. It's hard to believe

Why would Town!norway make it up?

There’s no reason as either alignment to make up the wagon. But there is a reason to give a player a fake townread - to look more involved in the game and potentially pocket. My problem is not the made up wagon, it’s the made up read (that was justified by the wagon and then retracted).

[the worst]

after our very first game together i'm very wary of teacher - he can do a lot of damage as UTR scum.

??
I don’t think you were in normal 2016?
I don’t think I’ve rolled scum against you?

it was a marathon i'm pretty sure
i had you d1 but we got sidetracked, you n1'd me and just cruised to victory

aware marathon meta is semi-anecdotal but i feel justified in being wary of you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

From teacher's pov, I don't see why Norway-scum would intentionally make something up like that that's so easily refutable. It's hard to believe

Why would Town!norway make it up?

There’s no reason as either alignment to make up the wagon. But there is a reason to give a player a fake townread - to look more involved in the game and potentially pocket. My problem is not the made up wagon, it’s the made up read (that was justified by the wagon and then retracted).

Yeah i made a mistake. There were so many weird nicknames like "ducky" i just assumed they meant you, when they actually referred to The Worst, my bad.
I think you’re looking kinda scummy right now for bringing up this like it’s a big deal. Forget, forgive and move on.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m liking wicked more for the logical deduction he shows in 750.
About the whole Bingle/Skitter drama i just don’t know what to think. It could even be TvT for all i know, though if it’s SvT i’m leaning more on Bingle being scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Post 677-679 is so funny lmao.

[Egix96]

ceejay, Egix, Blatant - nothing, and I do mean nothing, you have said has stuck with me to this point. Id love for your thoughts on any one of the following:

A. Nibs's post generally
B. Mena's reason to TL flippy (176)
C. Bingle's case on Skit
D. TW's intereactions with Bingle
E. Norway's attempt to force a read onto me

TY.

Quoting to remind myself to work on this later

[skitter30]

i want some more spicy takes on skitter
also i need an outside pov because i think what she's pushing is kinda unbelievable but not in a necessarily scummy way

she's playing hard and i'm not convinced she thinks any of what she's doing atm will secure mislynches

Explain why you're voting me

[skitter30]

Skit, explain the nibs read? Fumuki-san has always troubled me, so Id like some walk through.

Do u still need this?

[skitter30]

you're placing a bizarrely high onus on me to do towny things.

Again, you didnt answer this when i said this before

asking you to explain your votes is not a strange or unreasonable request in a game of mafia

I dont know why you're portraying the situation like i'm expecting something utterly ridiculous

Heck this whole convo started off because you said 'i dont townread jingle yet and it's scary' - how is this quote consonent with your current complaint against me?

Like you realize that your current argument's basis is that leveled the exact same argument against you that yo leveled against jingle, right?

[skitter30]

so 2/3 scum in this game are... intentionally drawing as much attention to themselves as possible, without doing anything to look like they're towny, with the result of the gamestate advancing rapidly and neither of these alleged scumslots coming out of it looking tonwy?

I'm p sure jingle thinks/thought he'd look townier than me in his current push, and it's not turning out quite how he anticipated

Even now a lot of what he's doing is designed go give off that impression

I have no idea what you're doing

[skitter30]

indeed bungle might be WKing me but tackling you head-on when you're playing this hard is also a fucking bizarre decision if it's a scum-motivated one

We've established that whatever his alignment he doesnt know what my towngame looks like so :shrug:

[skitter30]

skitter towncase above feels TMI but there's some credit in there

No
Stop shading me

[skitter30]

actually if skitter is leaning heavily into meta i think it's really strange she's decided to push me hard d1 - i'm actually emulating my confirmable-TPR meta

This doesnt look like that
The fact that you're bringing this up here to get me off your back is gross

[skitter30]

don't really see scum motive from bingle either rn

Really ???

[the worst]

nah
VOTE: Nor

[the worst]

as in double negative
I definitely see scum motive from bungle

[skitter30]

VOTE: the worst

[the worst]

lol

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you guys want an easy throwaway vote you'll be sure to never regret voting for Norwegianboy. When all else fails, he's the easiest scapegoat there is.

[Menalque]

Norwegian part of my issue with you is shit like this

I’ll go back and respond to you properly when I’m not on my phone, but the crux of my issue is a lack of humility. Like when people vote you or suggest you’re bad you just straight OMGUS. That makes you deeply lack value as town (because your reads lack nuance or good logic) but also makes you hard to read as scum because it’s a scummy behaviour that you do as town.

This game there are currently people who are worse than you (see: duck) but it also means that you’re always going to be a good policy lynch because having you in the game doesn’t bring a lot of value to town and it’s hard to tell if you’re actually scum or just scummy

Then when you get feedback, instead of accepting it or considering it like “hmm, maybe my reads aren’t great/maybe there’s a reason I’m getting called bad” you just lash out or make AtE self-pity jokes.


Like if you’re finding that a lot of people vote you as a scapegoat maybe acknowledge there’s something about your play that makes that happen and work on fixing it.