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[Billy Pilgrim]

Never mind. Dont know why I thought 8 was a lynch.

VOTE: Alonzo

Dont claim yet. L-2

[profii]

VC 2.2

Tchill13 - (6):

- gobbledygook, Hopkirk, Cliff Booth, Titus, Hectic, Garmr

EeveeLution Army - (5):

- Judge Joseph Dread, Rick Dalton, Billy Pilgrim, bob4131, AaronFrost

bob4131 - (2):

- profii, Alonzo

Garmr - (1):

- texcat

Rick Dalton - (1):

- Carcalilly

Not Voting:

Kop, Hectic, EeveeLution Army

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-10-10 05:35:11)

Just shy of 3 days to go and we have considered Tchill who we seem to think made a legit claim because I said I'm the tracker backup - but I haven't spotted anyone say they are fluent enough with the rules to 100% confirm that backups and main roles are aligned - however it seems to be the general consensus so the wagon died which seems right

Eevee was up there, personally I am not feeling that lynch but if someone else wants to sell it then feel free.

Alonzo has cropped up, as far as i can tell, he has been quite low profile compared to his normal game so I'm ok with my vote being there.

Also in counter to Alonzo we have Titus, I'm in a bit of a predicament because does a counter wagon necessarliy mean someone is being saved? I feel like both are scummy- there has been mention of multiball, it may well be.


But yeah I think this post is just a call to the group to focus as we have had plenty of time now

[Hopkirk]

What makes it too big a townlist? 3 are claims/strong meta. That leaves 6 townreads which I'm surprised you'd find unreasonable.
I assume people are reading obvtown as 'townread'.

What's your townlist look like.

To me, "obvtown" is much stronger than "townread"

So you assumed 'hopkirk thinks 11 people are almost confirmed town and it's not weird at all he has no regular townreads' instead of the more obvious 'hopkirk is calling his townreads obtown?'

First category should legit be obvious town. Second category is regular townreads.

Interested in your thought process behind that
Also interested in the reads list you've notable excluded despite having problems with mine

Hopkirk dances on vanity wagons a lot.

There's one wagon. You trying to shade me for not being on it?

Obvtown is way more than just a town read. I have lots of town reads of varying strength but practically no obvtown. In fact Carcalilly is probably the only one I'd call that.

I'm interpreting your votes as would lynch, given there is nothing more behind them. It's fair to ask where you said that, and I don't remember you using those words.
Why don't you actually case any of them?

- did it not strike you as odd that 'hopkirk has super obv town and obv town reads but no regular townreads'? If you're trying to understand my thought process then you're making odd assumptions here rather than thinking 'what does hipkirk mean'.

-that's a scumpool. Not a lynch pool.

-if I case someone then I'll end up death tunneling them. I'll probably look through you and/or Aaron tonight are write more stuff.

[Hopkirk]

@proffi- playing different to his town game, his scum game, or both?

[Alonzo]

Whatever you morons just hammer already.
I deserve a better pedigree of towny' anyhow, I will have to look in a different game

[Alonzo]

I mean... Falling for the same shit day two that cost a mislynch day one??

Bravo

[Hopkirk]

Do you want to do Aaron or Dave?

[profii]

@proffi- playing different to his town game, his scum game, or both?

playing different to his town game, not sure I've played with Alonzo scum in any previous games to reference.

[bob3141]

I mean... Falling for the same shit day two that cost a mislynch day one??

Bravo

So if you are town. Who do you think is scum on your wagon and why?

As all game I cant see you trying to become informed on who the scum are. Apart from one or two small posts.

[Garmr]

Whatever you morons just hammer already.
you deserve a better pedigree of player' anyhow, I will have to look in a different game

Fixed

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I haven't spotted anyone say they are fluent enough with the rules to 100% confirm that backups and main roles are aligned

It's not

a rule

and it's theoretically possible to be of different alignments. However, it's a balancing concept. Like, it'd be a double penalty if Town lynched its Tracker and -as a result- Scum gained one, or vice-versa. Unless -of course- it's a MB and if one scum side loses it's Tracker the other scum team gains one. Just saying.

[Alonzo]

Whatever you morons just hammer already.
you deserve a better pedigree of player' anyhow, I will have to look in a different game

Fixed

How is this beneficial to town?

[Alonzo]

I mean... Falling for the same shit day two that cost a mislynch day one??

Bravo

So if you are town. Who do you think is scum on your wagon and why?

As all game I cant see you trying to become informed on who the scum are. Apart from one or two small posts.

Il get on this after work

[AaronFrost]

What makes it too big a townlist? 3 are claims/strong meta. That leaves 6 townreads which I'm surprised you'd find unreasonable.
I assume people are reading obvtown as 'townread'.

What's your townlist look like.

To me, "obvtown" is much stronger than "townread"

So you assumed 'hopkirk thinks 11 people are almost confirmed town and it's not weird at all he has no regular townreads' instead of the more obvious 'hopkirk is calling his townreads obtown?'

First category should legit be obvious town. Second category is regular townreads.

Interested in your thought process behind that
Also interested in the reads list you've notable excluded despite having problems with mine

Was that supposed to be obvious? Why not just say obv-town for the strongest townreads and townreads for the rest? How did you think people were going to interpret that?

Why is Hectic in the first category? What has he done that screams town to you?

I haven't been prompted or felt it necessary to make a reads list since I replaced in, but if you'd like I'm more than happy to.

Your entire post feels way too defensive honestly.

[Garmr]

Whatever you morons just hammer already.
you deserve a better pedigree of player' anyhow, I will have to look in a different game

Fixed

How is this beneficial to town?

How is you acting like a little bitch Beneficial to town

[Garmr]

@Davidsa

Just curious why your so intent on scum reading me. you called my play town orientated before.

You threw out a ton of generic reasonings that don't apply to me then sheeped texs really bad situational one which would require me to give up myself when being town read, knowing doctor was in the game and having a doctor dumb enough to claim, while alerting town to protection in the game which could lead to a tilt if a cop role claimed.

Then you went into how this was done sub optimal for town from your perspective. This ignores the fact it's suboptimal for scum as well,that if carallily keeped her mouth shut it would of worked, people say a town me would do this and I think it would of been a good idea if it was another player more familiar with me.

You don't acknowledge it to keep your vote on me with out adressing things why?

[davesaz]

Obvtown is way more than just a town read. I have lots of town reads of varying strength but practically no obvtown. In fact Carcalilly is probably the only one I'd call that.

I'm interpreting your votes as would lynch, given there is nothing more behind them. It's fair to ask where you said that, and I don't remember you using those words.
Why don't you actually case any of them?

- did it not strike you as odd that 'hopkirk has super obv town and obv town reads but no regular townreads'? If you're trying to understand my thought process then you're making odd assumptions here rather than thinking 'what does hipkirk mean'.

Of course it stuck me as odd, that's why I commented. I don't try to outguess people or assume the odd things they post are anything else but odd. I say what I think about them and see how they respond. The response is what tells me if the odd things are genuine or not.

Followup question: what purpose does putting obv on all your townreads serve? How does that help us understand you?

-that's a scumpool. Not a lynch pool.

I already covered that. But here's a followup question -- is your lynch pool not the same as your scum pool? I'd be surprised if it's not.

-if I case someone then I'll end up death tunneling them. I'll probably look through you and/or Aaron tonight are write more stuff.

You could start by giving an actual concrete reason for any of your reads. I'm not all that picky. It doesn't need to be elaborate. Just enough to show that you're actually thinking these things and not just making up a list that looks nice.

[davesaz]

@Davidsa

Just curious why your so intent on scum reading me. you called my play town orientated before.

You threw out a ton of generic reasonings that don't apply to me then sheeped texs really bad situational one which would require me to give up myself when being town read, knowing doctor was in the game and having a doctor dumb enough to claim, while alerting town to protection in the game which could lead to a tilt if a cop role claimed.

Then you went into how this was done sub optimal for town from your perspective. This ignores the fact it's suboptimal for scum as well,that if carallily keeped her mouth shut it would of worked, people say a town me would do this and I think it would of been a good idea if it was another player more familiar with me.

You don't acknowledge it to keep your vote on me with out adressing things why?

My read is 100% based on your claim. Nothing else matters.

It's not suboptimal for scum. A scum team who knows your <gee how do I say this> reputation for doing silly stuff, could exploit that fact to try to get a role to out itself. It worked too, not in the expected way but it's hard to argue with results.

You shouldn't be worried about this TBH. I'm gonna keep yelling at the town who refuse to see it, and then you'll win in lylo.

[profii]

I haven't spotted anyone say they are fluent enough with the rules to 100% confirm that backups and main roles are aligned

It's not

a rule

and it's theoretically possible to be of different alignments. However, it's a balancing concept. Like, it'd be a double penalty if Town lynched its Tracker and -as a result- Scum gained one, or vice-versa. Unless -of course- it's a MB and if one scum side loses it's Tracker the other scum team gains one. Just saying.

That's helpful

[AaronFrost]

Whatever you morons just hammer already.
you deserve a better pedigree of player' anyhow, I will have to look in a different game

Fixed

How is this beneficial to town?

How is you acting like a little bitch Beneficial to town

That's.. not even remotely necessary.

[Garmr]

@Davidsa

Just curious why your so intent on scum reading me. you called my play town orientated before.

You threw out a ton of generic reasonings that don't apply to me then sheeped texs really bad situational one which would require me to give up myself when being town read, knowing doctor was in the game and having a doctor dumb enough to claim, while alerting town to protection in the game which could lead to a tilt if a cop role claimed.

Then you went into how this was done sub optimal for town from your perspective. This ignores the fact it's suboptimal for scum as well,that if carallily keeped her mouth shut it would of worked, people say a town me would do this and I think it would of been a good idea if it was another player more familiar with me.

You don't acknowledge it to keep your vote on me with out adressing things why?

My read is 100% based on your claim. Nothing else matters.

It's not suboptimal for scum. A scum team who knows your <gee how do I say this> reputation for doing silly stuff, could exploit that fact to try to get a role to out itself. It worked too, not in the expected way but it's hard to argue with results.

You shouldn't be worried about this TBH. I'm gonna keep yelling at the town who refuse to see it, and then you'll win in lylo.

So your acknowledging I would do this as town and my entire play other than this is town in your eyes.

But then you use it as the entire reason to scum read me?

Btw it is worry on the off chance your town you'll be the reason the game would be thrown for town in mylo unless I can lynch you before then or I get night killed. If your scum then it obvious you should be lynched anyway.

[Garmr]

Whatever you morons just hammer already.
you deserve a better pedigree of player' anyhow, I will have to look in a different game

Fixed

How is this beneficial to town?

How is you acting like a little bitch Beneficial to town

That's.. not even remotely necessary.

Might not be but if he opens the door I'm fine with walking through. Probably better from me through who's sometimes guilty of it myself but has enough self awareness to notice it and reflect.

[davesaz]

Explain how it's beneficial to me to push something that nobody else cares about. Consider the potential positive effect on town, if we're both town and I force you to stop and think about what you're doing.

Maybe you should say you were totally wrong, there was never any reason to do what you did, and it's not the way to use that role. Using that role on a mason nets town zero information. Maybe the primary reason for not letting up is that I'm seriously worried you'll fuck town over regardless of your alignment.

I'm trying not to say how the role should be used by town here. If you are town and I help you too much then scum will know how to exploit you. And if you're scum and you don't know what to do with the role it's better for town that you don't.

Clarification: I said the claim/role was the entire reason to scum read you. I'm not really looking for town you, and maybe you're over estimating my attitude day 1. I'll go one further and say that I haven't ISO'd myself to find out what I said, if anything. I don't remember...

[davesaz]

If I'm not producing content why is everyone talking about me?

Umm, that's reason #1 to talk about someone?

[Tchill13]

lynch alonzo