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[bob3141]

VC 1.5

Cliff Booth (8):

Elements, Hopkirk, Gamma Emerald, Billy Pilgrim, Carcalilly, Hectic, tchill13

Elements - (5):

AaronFrost, Cliff Booth, Titus, Rick Dalton, Sharon Tate

Hectic - (2):

Judge Joseph Dredd, profii

Judge Joesph Dredd (2):

Hectic, roosterfoster

Billy Pilgrim - (1):

YouAreGreat

davesaz - (1):

EeveeLution Army

Kop (1):

bob4131

Tchill13 - (1):

Garmr

Not Voting:

No one.

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-09-20 07:28:35)

Hop if you think cliff is scum what do you think of the players on elementis wagon in that votecount you got teh ciff wagon on

[Hopkirk]

Hey Titus, where's your Cliff scumread gone?

Although based on that logic it is possible cliff could be scum but what makes you think you arnt wrong about any of those in that list

Shy do you not think one of the scum would have bussed cliff during that wagon

-4 are literally confirmed town (me/masons/Elements)
-1 is Hectic (I'm not wrong here)
-1 is Tchill (claim)
-1 is Billy (claim)

Does it get to 8 then not get scum on it if it's a wagon on town? Wagons were collapsing at the time and that could've easily become a lynch.
If one of Billy/Tchill are scum 7/8 town is still super pure.

I'm town and I actually was actually coming to a conclusion in my last post how I would think it's more likely that hectic is scum over you but okay

this is supposed to change my mind how?

[Cliff Booth]

@bob are you the VT claimer or was it billy? I can't remember

[Cliff Booth]

Hey Titus, where's your Cliff scumread gone?

Although based on that logic it is possible cliff could be scum but what makes you think you arnt wrong about any of those in that list

Shy do you not think one of the scum would have bussed cliff during that wagon

-4 are literally confirmed town (me/masons/Elements)
-1 is Hectic (I'm not wrong here)
-1 is Tchill (claim)
-1 is Billy (claim)

Does it get to 8 then not get scum on it if it's a wagon on town? Wagons were collapsing at the time and that could've easily become a lynch.
If one of Billy/Tchill are scum 7/8 town is still super pure.

I'm town and I actually was actually coming to a conclusion in my last post how I would think it's more likely that hectic is scum over you but okay

this is supposed to change my mind how?

you and tchill are far from conftown LOL

[bob3141]

@bob are you the VT claimer or was it billy? I can't remember

Billy claimed vt.

[Hopkirk]

Important thing to remember too is that half the game was inactive around the time of that wagon and it grew fast. Scum wouldn't necessarily be around to bus, willing to bus, or bus in time.

Titus and Cliff are on Elements. Other bits of the scumpool were inactive (eg Rooster). Not sure where Kop was since he's missing. One sec.

[Hopkirk]

Hey Titus, where's your Cliff scumread gone?

Although based on that logic it is possible cliff could be scum but what makes you think you arnt wrong about any of those in that list

Shy do you not think one of the scum would have bussed cliff during that wagon

-4 are literally confirmed town (me/masons/Elements)
-1 is Hectic (I'm not wrong here)
-1 is Tchill (claim)
-1 is Billy (claim)

Does it get to 8 then not get scum on it if it's a wagon on town? Wagons were collapsing at the time and that could've easily become a lynch.
If one of Billy/Tchill are scum 7/8 town is still super pure.

I'm town and I actually was actually coming to a conclusion in my last post how I would think it's more likely that hectic is scum over you but okay

this is supposed to change my mind how?

you and tchill are far from conftown LOL

You might have missed the part where he was asking for my fucking opinion where I'm the towniest damn bastard ya evah saw. You definitely missed that Tchill wasn't listed as confirmed town.

[Cliff Booth]

Okay you don't have him listed as conftown but you act like his claim makes hit vote on me any more valid because you are desperate to deflect negative attention onto me right now and are grasping at straws. Refute that.

[Hopkirk]

Most likely bus if there is one there would be Billy.

Kop was on Rooster and hadn't posted between the wagon getting serious and getting to 8 as far as i can tell

[Hopkirk]

Okay you don't have him listed as conftown but you act like his claim makes hit vote on me any more valid because you are desperate to deflect negative attention onto me right now and are grasping at straws. Refute that.

I could have coasted by with an easy Alonzo lynch days ago if I was aiming to avoid attention.

[Hopkirk]

Okay you don't have him listed as conftown but you act like his claim makes hit vote on me any more valid because you are desperate to deflect negative attention onto me right now and are grasping at straws. Refute that.

I could have coasted by with an easy Alonzo lynch days ago if I was aiming to avoid attention.

One scum on the wagon and it'd still be super pure.
There's only 2 slots that can be scum.
Both have claimed stuff believably.

[Cliff Booth]

Okay you don't have him listed as conftown but you act like his claim makes hit vote on me any more valid because you are desperate to deflect negative attention onto me right now and are grasping at straws. Refute that.

I could have coasted by with an easy Alonzo lynch days ago if I was aiming to avoid attention.

????

[Cliff Booth]

VOTE: hopkirk

[Hopkirk]

Your movie didn't have a fucking plot.

[davesaz]

You know what I'm not looking for d2? Deepscum when we haven't lynched scum yet.

Plenty of people can be deepwolfing. That's not what I'm looking for.

The point of listing possible deepscum is to not obvtown them prematurely.

See 2936 for reads.
If you take that post and add my more recent comment on Hectic you should get that he isn't a proper scumread, but certainly not a townread either.

I'm still seeing lots of hand waving and not much explaining of scumreads. If there are implications invovled I'm horrible at reading between the lines, just so you know. Why are you voting them?

[davesaz]

I could have coasted by with an easy Alonzo lynch days ago if I was aiming to avoid attention.

My alt got caught once as scum based on a post just like this.

[Rick Dalton]

Your movie didn't have a fucking plot.

This is almost worth a vote

[Hopkirk]

You know what I'm not looking for d2? Deepscum when we haven't lynched scum yet.

Plenty of people can be deepwolfing. That's not what I'm looking for.

The point of listing possible deepscum is to not obvtown them prematurely.

See 2936 for reads.
If you take that post and add my more recent comment on Hectic you should get that he isn't a proper scumread, but certainly not a townread either.

I'm still seeing lots of hand waving and not much explaining of scumreads. If there are implications invovled I'm horrible at reading between the lines, just so you know. Why are you voting them?

Why I voted Gobble: After the Alonzo/Eevee wagons on low activity players I wanted to see if anyone would join a vote on an inactivey player I didn't like. The ISO is questionable which I'll go through eventually but I'd like to hear what you think on it and see if I actually need to. I Would have gone Kop if his V/LA wasn't still on at the time. Would have worked better if anyone else joined it so I got nothing out of that. Not that anyone else really had a wagon going. No Alonzo counterwagon sticks out there.

Why I voted Aaron: I was planning to follow with a case. On a reread he was town.
Why I voted Kop: There's stuff I don't like but if I post about him before he catches up it'll be handwaved away.
Why I voted Cliff: He seems pretty obvscum now right?

I didn't have any lockscum reads until today, so I haven't cased anyone. A large part due to not having time to go through stuff in the depth I'd like (Hectic was visiting for half of last week so with that and work I didn't have a chance to actually play mafia.

[Hopkirk]

Your movie didn't have a fucking plot.

This is almost worth a vote

His movie. You at least had a character arc. He had the whole wife thing brought up and abandoned for no reason then wasted a perfectly good opportunity to explore cults.

[Cliff Booth]

I could have coasted by with an easy Alonzo lynch days ago if I was aiming to avoid attention.

My alt got caught once as scum based on a post just like this.

wait so I'm not crazy in thinking that was a scumslip then? or are you implying something else

[Hopkirk]

You know what I'm not looking for d2? Deepscum when we haven't lynched scum yet.

Plenty of people can be deepwolfing. That's not what I'm looking for.

The point of listing possible deepscum is to not obvtown them prematurely.

See 2936 for reads.
If you take that post and add my more recent comment on Hectic you should get that he isn't a proper scumread, but certainly not a townread either.

I'm still seeing lots of hand waving and not much explaining of scumreads. If there are implications invovled I'm horrible at reading between the lines, just so you know. Why are you voting them?

Look at any of my old games and you'll see I reread and change my reads a lot. Townreads now aren't all going to stay that way d5.

[Hopkirk]

I could have coasted by with an easy Alonzo lynch days ago if I was aiming to avoid attention.

My alt got caught once as scum based on a post just like this.

wait so I'm not crazy in thinking that was a scumslip then? or are you implying something else

I swear nobody knows what a scumslip is.

[Cliff Booth]

How do I seem obvscum the players here love me

[Cliff Booth]

Even the scum loves me because they can keep me around for an easy mislynch later. Except for hopkirk. He's the one that needs to deflect now, and that's where I come in handy apparently

[Hopkirk]

You're acting like I'm under so much pressure? That's because I'm making a scene. Pretty fucking explicitly what I'm going for since I didn't like how the game was going- one wagon that's been going for days without a counterwagon or any good justification. The best thing i've heard is 'it's basically a policy lynch' and a townflip would tell us nothing... well nothing except we lose a mason then go back to the exact same place we are now with one less inactive.

Shame we've got half a dozen of them and some of them are actually scummy.