Open 768: C9++ [GAME OVER]

[Almost50]

you feel like a sly guy mr.sunglasses

Anybody called?

[Almost50]

Yeah, I'm just multitasking, sorry.

FINALLY!



And now you need to turn me into ..



A50??????

[Almost50]

Bingle's defence of Menalque is concerning. Could I have been right on my st impression on Menalque? Was he coached to do the "strike first" kind of play later? Or is Bingle trying to pocket him here (just as he is/was trying to pocket me when i first arrived in this game)?? Hmmmm...

[Almost50]

too many moving pieces

Shake it, shake it, baby

[Almost50]

ceejay, Egix, Blatant - nothing, and I do mean nothing, you have said has stuck with me to this point. Id love for your thoughts on any one of the following:

A. Nibs's post generally
B. Mena's reason to TL flippy (176)
C. Bingle's case on Skit
D. TW's intereactions with Bingle
E. Norway's attempt to force a read onto me

TY.

Quoting to remind myself to work on this later

I actually kinda forgot you were in this game tbh

[Wickedestjr]

40 pages worth of thoughts incoming:

I agree that Menalque's overly-confrontational behavior on page 6 is unlikely to come from scum (especially with how early in the game it was). His read on teacher here is one particular thing that I noted as feeling pretty genuine to me and in general I haven't seen anything in his iso that's rubbed me the wrong way.

Normally, I’m hesitant to town read players with strong scum games, but I started townreading skitter during the lengthy exchange with Bingle. I haven’t really noticed anything in her iso that’s looked polished - instead it feels like she’s genuinely thinking/processing the game. I like some of the specific comments she made to Bingle and I feel like "Jingle this isn't a fight you're going to win" doesn't come from skitter-scum pushing Bingle-town. And I also really don't think they're partners. I need to check out her award winning scum game to be safe though.

I mostly like Norwegian, I don't get the sense that he is trying to earn town cred or really cares about how he is perceived. From the last few pages his humor comes across as a relaxed mindset. I also feel like his frustrations with Menalque are more likely to come from town - especially the random shoutout at the bottom of this post. The one thing that makes me wary about Norwegian is his vote for BS. I feel like that could have been a safe choice for Norwegian-scum and I wonder if Norwegian-town would be more inclined to vote someone more active that he could actually converse with - I was surprised he didn’t vote for me at that point.

Norwegian

why did you choose to vote BS instead of me at that point?

Nibbui’s a slight town lean. A large number of his posts have felt genuine to me and it does feel like he's actively trying to ‘solve the puzzle’ so to speak. Having said that, there are a few small things that I dislike about his playstyle. First, the frequency at which he is switching his vote around rubs me the wrong way - like for example, this L-1 vote is kinda random. In general, I think seeing someone changing their mind is generally townish given the additional effort required, but it feels like too much from Nibbui right now. Gives himself a lot of flexibility and it’s less effective in pressuring people.

Nibbui

can you show me a town game where you played like this? Secondly, a couple bad posts in the mix, like this one.

The quiet people {Emps, Egix, Almost50, DrDolittle, Blatant Scum} are all still pretty neutral for me. I might start by meta'ing Emps because it seems like he's inexplicably a consensus town read here, even though I personally haven't seen anything telling.

Nibbui

, can you explain why Emps was your strongest town read at this point? Blatant Scum is a slight scum lean if anything, but that is purely a gut feeling.

I’m enjoying the worst’s presence here but am inclined to believe he is scum and going to continue voting him for the time being. Before signing up for this game, I actually read a few other games and this happened to be one of them. His opening in that game (where he was town) felt vastly different from this game and that’s also the reason why I was bothered by him just sitting on his naked Nibbui vote early on, not doing anything with it (see my explanation for voting him here). I like that, in this post he admits to not seeing anything AI from Nibbui prior to the vote, but his explanation that he was probing him to get a more comfortable read feels off to me; I don’t feel like he really did the probing that he’s giving himself credit for here. And there are a few other posts that I didn’t like so much:
*Here, I think the question he’s asking is clearly answered in the post that he’s asking about.
*First paragraph of this post seemed like a pretty poor defense.
*Correct me if I’m wrong, but it looks like he does a rapid flip on his Bingle read from saying he doesn’t agree with a Bingle scumread to saying Bingle is outright scummy a page later.

The worst

, can you explain that?
*Saying he’s trying a 5-6 out of 10 doesn’t seem to mesh with being excited about the playerlist a few days ago.

TW

why just a 5-6 out of 10?


I’m not sure about Bingle - I haven’t gotten to interact with him as much as I would have liked. His style here feels different from my prior experience with him as town. Part of me feels like he’s trying to appear very comfortable with his high activity and self-proclaimed ‘obtuseness’. I’m having trouble understanding the motivation for Bingle-town to play this way. He also felt off to me in his exchange with skitter. See here, here, and here. In particular, I didn’t see strong enough reasoning to warrant the confidence that he expresses throughout his exchange with her. I’m not sure how to read into the eventual unvote.

Bingle

can you explain what you meant about ‘manipulating the gamestate’ earlier?

Your reaction to me voting your strongest townread wasn't particularly "I think he's wrong/scum" nor "Am I wrong?" but more "Is this actually a viable mislynch?"

Can you walk me through why you felt this way? How are you feeling about skitter in the present time?


I’m still suspicious of teacher. This post is the only one that has really felt townish to me. I still dislike his buddying accusation towards Norway (that Norway made up the fact that teacher had an RVS wagon). It just doesn’t feel well thought out to me. If anything, I feel like Norway is more likely to make a careless mistake like that as town.

Teacher

, to answer your question here, I don’t think Norway would intentionally make that error as town. I also don’t think he would intentionally make that error as scum. Wouldn’t it be easier for Norway-scum to come up with some legitimate-sounding reason to townread you if he really wanted to buddy you? Why would making something up be the best course of action for Norway-scum? That just feels like a stretch to me.

The other thing that feels strange to me is this post. You were asked hypothetically how you would approach skitter if you were scum. It feels a little weird to me that you claim you would have approached her completely differently from how you actually approached her in this game.

Teacher

can you expand on why you would approach skitter the way you described there?

[Almost50]

almost 20

And I have frown another 10 years younger already since I joined this game. FANTASTIC.

My only worry is I might be back in my mama's womb by D1 end.

[Almost50]

making an account called Almost20 and pretending this site was a dating app would be so upsetting and so funny simultaneously

[the worst]

if nor flips red powerlynch wicked

[Emperor flippyNips]

how do people feel about egix?

Spoiler:

[the worst]

I CLD WAGON EGIX

[the worst]

sorry caps

[Wickedestjr]

. I was just concerned that the game wasn't transitioning out of RVS as quickly as I would have liked it to (irrelevant of page count). I feel like it's just now starting to make healthy progress, even if it's at my expense.

I kinda felt like the game was out of rvs already at that point

Agree to disagree.

You complained about the game state but when things were being discussed you avoided talking about it and just kept doing your own thing that doesn't really look gamesolvy.

Again, you say that I avoided talking about things that were being discussed but can't give any specific examples of things that I avoided talking about that I should have been talking about. Your point has no meaning.

hi back

Spoiler:

re 783, DEFINITELY! - do you think it's scummy?

Yes.

why tho

Because I believe being overdefensive is scummy?

I'm generally a very defensive player. If I see someone saying something that's misleading/untrue about me, I want to completely nip it in the bud.

im super bummed google and site does not index question marks.

You should have tried running a Bingle search.

VOTE: wickedjester
hope this is not a vanity vote

Why me? I'm not sure exactly what a vanity vote is.

wicky that's a deeply political read list

I don't think so? I'll admit it does feel a little bit weird to me that several other people suspect Bingle/teacher like I do (including you iirc) but I don't see why you're saying that.

wicked teacher's reads are ~ same as yours why do you consider him scum?

Not sure where you're seeing that.

Wicked would you be amneable to voting jingle?

Possibly, but I want to see how he responds to my thoughts/questions about him. I still prefer my vote on the worst right now.

[the worst]

why do you enjoy voting town?

[Almost50]

So, Bingle is 60% likely to be the SK and if he is ten he 95% picked the 1-shot BP. It thus would be beneficial for scum to shoot him tonight and when he doesn't die they know where they ought to shoot "comes the right time". I wouldn't recommend the Vig (if exists) to shoot there though, because we don't want to waste our shots and we don't want to lose the SK's support in case scum are making an early advance on us. (That changes if we do lynch scum today though). That said, if we have a 1-shot Vig they should holster on N1 regardless (you don't want to be shooting a Cop with a guilty, nor do you wan to waste your shot on the SK). A full Vig though can use their best judgement in whether to shoot or not, and whom to shoot if we mislynch, and may consider shooting Bingle if we correctly lynch scum.

[Almost50]

don't let the media tell u who to vote drdolittle

they are fake news.

i repeat

fake news.

[the worst]

a50 you were meant to be TOWN damnit

[Almost50]

a50 you were meant to be TOWN damnit

What? ME??

NO!!

. I mean, Town get shot by night. I want to LIVE for at least D3, when I'd be confirmed.

[the worst]

HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO ME

[Almost50]

I dont think i ever scumread you this game

You would be correct cuz I'm nev.. erm.. who was that at? Not me?? Ok.. my bad.

[Almost50]

HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO ME

I do what I do the way I do it.

[Wickedestjr]

why do you enjoy voting town?

There are a lot of reasons.

• The thrill of putting an innocent life at risk.
  
• This town isn't big enough for the two of us.
  
• Your dog pooped in my front yard.

I could go on...

[the worst]

i am so confident that wicked is scum but i don't really want to 1v1 him because it would just be too abstract

[the worst]

(i'm also still reading all your posts in my internal richard ayoiafe voice)

[Almost50]

Spoiler:

As for Menalque, I haven't seen it yet, but the way he's arguing up until page 7 screams scum to me. Too bad I've never seen TOWN!Menalque (or have I?), but I've been scum with him once and town against scum him once so far.

Scum with me twice including this game right?

No. Not counting this one. I was talking about the one where I replaced in and we were scum with Dunn and won it, and then about the one where you were scum and I was town and it got cancelled because momo quit MS.