Open 767: Nomination Mafia [Day 7]

[Sujimichi]

Titus, why did you fail to address my comment on your Correspondence assertion?

[Joey_]

Spoiler: I disagree with 697.

Incoherence between ideas/behavior is a clue that their thought process is not genuine & more superficial than they want you to believe. Basically they often have to go "bottom-up"

Town looks incoherent but their processes "does exists" they just aren't very clear, its ''top-down'' so you can always investigate the thought process

@Titus; Why do you scumread nEE?

[Sujimichi]

*cough* suji *cough*

I'm not shying away from my assertion that Titus is scum, and I will vote there in due time. Why is there a rush to?

[Titus]

@Suj Which post? I am under intense stress IRL. I'll comment today.

@Joey, I think GL is more genuine. Nee just sounds like he's trying to lynch not himself and keep his options open on me. GL and I ho way back to my noob days. I feel confident in his ability to see I am town

[Sujimichi]

Scum attack when we make the protown move to lynch Correspondence or get info (GuiltyLion sub).

Why is it a protown move to lynch an inactive slot that is almost certainly to get replaced? You already asserted that the Correspondence was being just active enough not to get replaced or to avoid attention (375, 417), but that wasn't true as Correspondence's last post was 7 days prior to your assertion. I think it's a proscum move to try and lynch a completely inactive slot in it's absence.

[Titus]

Scum attack when we make the protown move to lynch Correspondence or get info (GuiltyLion sub).

Why is it a protown move to lynch an inactive slot that is almost certainly to get replaced? You already asserted that the Correspondence was being just active enough not to get replaced or to avoid attention (375, 417), but that wasn't true as Correspondence's last post was 7 days prior to your assertion. I think it's a proscum move to try and lynch a completely inactive slot in it's absence.

Well, the move is to either get content or lynch it. Your post forgets the night phase in the middle.

If Correspondence prod dodged only, then yes we should lynch it as he'd be scum coasting on the assumption scum would never put a lurker in.

Yet, he got replaced by GL who is a very weak townread based on his under weak to moderate pressure content.

I was also townreading Nee at the time. So it's the best play in the situation we had. I would love to be stringing up Melanque but I can't do that.

[Titus]

If GL is town, scum want that slot empty and without production as its mislynch bait later.

[Sujimichi]

Scum attack when we make the protown move to lynch Correspondence or get info (GuiltyLion sub).

Why is it a protown move to lynch an inactive slot that is almost certainly to get replaced? You already asserted that the Correspondence was being just active enough not to get replaced or to avoid attention (375, 417), but that wasn't true as Correspondence's last post was 7 days prior to your assertion. I think it's a proscum move to try and lynch a completely inactive slot in it's absence.

Well, the move is to either get content or lynch it. Your post forgets the night phase in the middle.

If Correspondence prod dodged only, then yes we should lynch it as he'd be scum coasting on the assumption scum would never put a lurker in.

Yet, he got replaced by GL who is a very weak townread based on his under weak to moderate pressure content.

I was also townreading Nee at the time. So it's the best play in the situation we had. I would love to be stringing up Melanque but I can't do that.

Correspondence had two posts in game which occurred on the same day. There was no history of prod dodging, and a phase change does not impact the inevitable replacement given the violation of activity rules. The protown move is to wait so that we can get content. The proscum move is to lynch the slot before we do.

Even if I ignored (or "forgot") the phase change, there were 7 days between the last post and your assertion, and the moderator prodded Correspondence (317) almost 4 full days before your assertion. This is well outside the activity requirements and you should have known a replacement was coming. We were (and are) in no rush to end the day phase, so pushing Correspondence was very scummy for you.

[Sujimichi]

If GL is town, scum want that slot empty and without production as its mislynch bait later.

Or, scum wanted to include one of their own for town credit knowing there was an easy push on either a player that (you admit) is mislynch bait or a player that arguably quickhammered.

[Sujimichi]

I didn't like your responses.

VOTE: Titus

[Titus]

Well if you don't like reality, you wouldn't have liked anything I said. It's been my position since daystart.

[Titus]

The push prevented GL's slot from remaining empty so *shrug* teach me to play day 1

[Sujimichi]

The push prevented GL's slot from remaining empty so *shrug* teach me to play day 1

How did your push have anything to do with preventing Correspondence/GuiltyLion from remaining content-less (I assume this is what you mean, and not that your push was responsible for someone filling a slot that had replaced out)? I've already covered Correspondence's inevitable replacement. Did you think that GuiltyLion would have come in here and posted nothing but for your push?

[Awoo]

Starting to get a feeling that titus / norwegianboy is TvT, but if one of them was scum it would only be titus.

[Menalque]

Starting to get a feeling that titus / norwegianboy is TvT, but if one of them was scum it would only be titus.

What’s giving you that vibe?

[Titus]

The push prevented GL's slot from remaining empty so *shrug* teach me to play day 1

How did your push have anything to do with preventing Correspondence/GuiltyLion from remaining content-less (I assume this is what you mean, and not that your push was responsible for someone filling a slot that had replaced out)? I've already covered Correspondence's inevitable replacement. Did you think that GuiltyLion would have come in here and posted nothing but for your push?

I think that Correspondence would have prod dodged if not for it.

Maybe GL's content would have changed. That depends on his personality and alignment.

[Menalque]

VOTE: titus

[Awoo]

Probably a bad read but titus' self preservation does not feel much like self preservation? Feels like just throwing reads out there that would get more credit after a town flip. Not trying to make any friends, just gunning. Recklessly defending some bs logic about how it's a good idea to wagon a slot that's being replaced. Going after one of the most vocal persons, ie you. Recommended course of action: lynch anyways because norwegianboy is townier. Also so is 90% of the game, also guiltylion.

It just generally feels like someone more politically correct like suji or PM would be scum. Suji's glad we're aligned was laughable. He feels like a clunky guy so far. Like when guiltylion showed up he popped off with some good insight. PM I can't remember anything about which is why I put him there. Very inoffensive, has a super weak vote on norwegianboy. Neither of them have strong stances, just safe (even if not popular(ie. voting norwegian)) opinions. Throw away the X-files episode where suji used microsoft word to hack into the CIA and I think there's grounds for a scumread there.

Even if it's TvT titus is still the better lynch because she's been more proscum, burying mutant AND asking for intent. Also imagine nominating norwegianboy as mafia after he makes that hammer and then NOT even bussing him or anything, just going right to correspondence. Also his posts are more genuine then joey makes them out to be imo. Norwegianboy's response to being nominated made no sense to me for a bit because I wasn't looking at things more objectively, but now that I read through his iso, he's like in his own world of distress at being nominated that seemed totally alien to me because I was considering him as a possible scum, when in reality he was upset town. He keeps up the act so long without any positive feedback that the simplest answer isn't "he's mafia faking a reaction", because he was getting no positive feedback or townreads from it, really he was actually just having the stress.

@Joey

, you say that norwegianboy has shown no remorse for the hammer, but I think if you read his iso and his whole attitude, he's got a lot more remorse then you might think, it's just more subtle and in between the lines, sort of woven into a number of his posts where he laments that he was nominated to be mislynched. Not something I think he went through all the effort to fake for no reward, considering we were all just brushing him off and direction attention directly away from that line thinking.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Titus you say you townread me, then you scumread me, later you townread me again, what's up with that?

[Awoo]

I think what I'm trying to say is that for this day, I think titus is the only one who has a reasonable chance of flipping scum, but I'm okay with titus being the town we end up flipping in a TvTvT situation, if not solely for the day 1 play, which I think was not only worse then norwegianboy's hammer, but also norwegianboy towntold imo.

[Menalque]

Awoo if titus flips scum what do you think of joey?

I personally think his scum equity goes way up, but I do think there was something towny in the way he was engaging with me over his defence of his method yestersay

[Awoo]

I guess on paper his scum equity goes up and it would prompt further investigation, but I wouldn't consider lynching him in the near future even if titus went red.

[Menalque]

Why is that? I don’t understand why your TR on joey is so strong

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why is that? I don’t understand why your TR on joey is so strong

It's the kitten.
You never want to lynch the cute kitten.

[Titus]

Awoo, what am I supposed to do here? Yes my day 1 sucked. I own that. I also think Menalque is just mindlessly gunning and not sorting. I can respect voting me in a T v T v T situation as early play is my weakest. Just realize I was set up post flip.