Mini 2097 - Make Me Regret This Game Over

[mastina]

Mastina I want to know where your head is at as well.

My head is at the spot where I can show you where jjh took an identical stance defending scum based on scum trueclaiming because I was the scum trueclaiming and jjh townread me that game for the same reasons he defended Elements this game and that the push on him is thus bullshit.

[Menalque]

That was such a WIFOMy fucking kill, my god

Probably implies 1 of (elbirn, mastina)

> "That was such a wifom kill"
>"Might mean mastina's scum"
> Trolololol.

(I don't make wifom kills.)

Mastina I’m like 80-90% sure that I read something in the Mastin Academy where you talk explicitly about being a player who heavily plays th the WIFOM game

[mastina]

Eth0s are you finding it weird that neither of us is dead?

That would be because you're pushing a jjh mislynch.
Yeah you're obvtown but if you're pushing to mislynch town, doesn't matter how obvtown you are, you're still helping scum.

[Menalque]

Jjh do you think scum!mastina white knights you here for towncred?

[jjh927]

I still haven't figured out whether the way mastina talks about her scumgame is AI

[Menalque]

I think I’m okay with doing TL today but it’s all feeling a lil bit too easy tbh

[jjh927]

Jjh do you think scum!mastina white knights you here for towncred?

I think Mastina defends me in all situations regardless of both of our alignments

[Menalque]

Jjh do you think scum!mastina white knights you here for towncred?

I think Mastina defends me in all situations regardless of both of our alignments

Yeah annoyingly I think you’re probably right

[mastina]

Elbirn I think mastina is a bad shout for today while chem is softlcearing jjh and there’s good odds of scum in suji/TL

Especially considering I scumread Elements the whole fucking game and that Suji/TL are 2/3 of my remaining scumreads, yeah.

Your options are I'm bussing my whole scumteam or I'm town, so.

[eth0s]

I don’t Like idk why he claims the soft clear on jjh as scum, idk why he doesn’t just let us lynch him

I'm not advocating for scum!chemist by any means but why would elements claim a no result on jjh instead of a guilty? Why would soas get shot? Why would TD get shot? Well the last one makes a little sense I guess for bleeding town but that would apply to a few players.

The motivation of the scum seems very unclear. If this were a newbie game my lynch pool would be all noobs. I'm wondering if this should be something similar? Not quite convinced enough to resort everyone based on this but I think it either eventually comes to that or finding a "good scum player"'s motivation that makes sense.

Btw I'm not reading previews ala mastina style because I'm still working and in my phone and overwhelmed

[jjh927]

What I'm kinda interested in RN is what Mastina is seeing different here than my D1 in Krazy's anime upick

[Menalque]

My main concern is that if we mislynch TL today and scum has some sort of damage and they kill jjh + idk who

Then imo we’re in a really bad mylo tomorrow

[Menalque]

Elbirn I think mastina is a bad shout for today while chem is softlcearing jjh and there’s good odds of scum in suji/TL

Especially considering I scumread Elements the whole fucking game and that Suji/TL are 2/3 of my remaining scumreads, yeah.

Your options are I'm bussing my whole scumteam or I'm town, so.

I mean I do think you would do that, yes

[jjh927]

I don’t Like idk why he claims the soft clear on jjh as scum, idk why he doesn’t just let us lynch him

I'm not advocating for scum!chemist by any means but why would elements claim a no result on jjh instead of a guilty? Why would soas get shot? Why would TD get shot? Well the last one makes a little sense I guess for bleeding town but that would apply to a few players.

The motivation of the scum seems very unclear. If this were a newbie game my lynch pool would be all noobs. I'm wondering if this should be something similar? Not quite convinced enough to resort everyone based on this but I think it either eventually comes to that or finding a "good scum player"'s motivation that makes sense.

Btw I'm not reading previews ala mastina style because I'm still working and in my phone and overwhelmed

Elements claiming a guilty at L-1 gets him lynched. The question should be why didn't he claim an inno

[Menalque]

And then make exactly that argument

[jjh927]

I did ask that question as one of the things that convinced me he was telling the truth about his claim

[mastina]

I kinda think the NK was either off us bc scum was worried we might have a protective or it was because I think we’ve been p cohesive and they’re trying to play off paranoia around that

What if I told you I knew who the protective role in this setup was and that they are someone who I know to be town?

[jjh927]

Elements didn't claim a result because he didn't need to distance because he was already being bussed

[Menalque]

I don’t Like idk why he claims the soft clear on jjh as scum, idk why he doesn’t just let us lynch him

I'm not advocating for scum!chemist by any means but why would elements claim a no result on jjh instead of a guilty? Why would soas get shot? Why would TD get shot? Well the last one makes a little sense I guess for bleeding town but that would apply to a few players.

The motivation of the scum seems very unclear. If this were a newbie game my lynch pool would be all noobs. I'm wondering if this should be something similar? Not quite convinced enough to resort everyone based on this but I think it either eventually comes to that or finding a "good scum player"'s motivation that makes sense.

Btw I'm not reading previews ala mastina style because I'm still working and in my phone and overwhelmed

Elements claiming a guilty at L-1 gets him lynched. The question should be why didn't he claim an inno

That’s a good point

What do you think the answer is?

[Menalque]

I kinda think the NK was either off us bc scum was worried we might have a protective or it was because I think we’ve been p cohesive and they’re trying to play off paranoia around that

What if I told you I knew who the protective role in this setup was and that they are someone who I know to be town?

I’d ask you to stop talking

[jjh927]

Elements didn't claim a result because he didn't need to distance because he was already being bussed

I'm more convinced of this after saying it the first time

[Menalque]

Elements didn't claim a result because he didn't need to distance because he was already being bussed

So adorable, elbirn or suji?

[mastina]

Mastina- elements' flip points to there being a traitor and/or a a third party. Does this not concern you anywhere

Well for a start your conclusion isn't one which I really agree with since nothing about scum having a sane cop implies traitor and I was the mod who literally invented the concept of giving scum a sane cop in otherwise normal setups and I know that Gamma can and has taken inspiration from games I've run so I don't really buy into the theory anyway.

But even if it was due to a traitor or 3p. Why would I care? Doesn't change scumhunting. I'll look at traitor crumbs if and only if we have a mafia traitor flip, until then it's a waste of time, chasing what's likely a red herring, and removes from actual scumhunting. If a traitor exists, they should still look like scum by play; if a traitor exists, groupscum should still look like scum by play. So we scumhunt and try to lynch the people who look like scum by play.

[Menalque]

Eth0s I’m really gonna need you to talk about your EP thing today

[mastina]

Mastina I’m like 80-90% sure that I read something in the Mastin Academy where you talk explicitly about being a player who heavily plays th the WIFOM game

Go read that article again since you apparently need a heavy refresher about what that article was discussing. It was about townplay not scumplay.