Undertale Semi-Open 1.1 - Snowdin Snowdown

[Nachomamma8]

A more direct question is the (fuck whats the word we use) retaliation vote by Elements onto Souls and your thoughts in general of Elements starting game voting patterns.

Read it as more of Elements fucking around and acting a bit crazy than it actually being a revenge vote, tbh; his lost #100 read to me like a more like a "hey I'm done trolling now, let's play some mafia" than anything else which is why I find chemist calling him scum to be a bit like sheeping trying to dress it up like something it wasn't.

HURT: Chemist

[Nachomamma8]

Why are you addressing Nacho?

because Ginngie loves me and love Ginngie. Do you have an issue with that?

[Nachomamma8]

Do Maria-Rakan-Nymph all know each other/are their avatars themed or something?

[Nachomamma8]

Good to know ur town wisdom

its page 1, 1-10 strength of read?

Around a 2 then around a 6 or 7 now

Good read - you should spare him instead of whoever you're soaring at the moment.

[Nachomamma8]

We should spare today and see how things go and assess the route tomorrow maybe?

okay nvm I actually kind of like this post

why

[Nachomamma8]

Chemist you have to just keep rolling town dont you

I'm okay with it

Yes, I want to get better at scum, but I hate playing it sometimes lol

But this was a pretty smooth response if Chemist is scum here!

[popsofctown]

Spare Votecount 1.6

Nachomamma8 -

Elements ------

(1)

Rakan

chennisden ----

(2)

Chemist1422, mastina

mastina --------

(1)

Ginngie

Ginngie -

Xayah -

Oversoul ------

Rakan ----------

(2)

Wisdom, Nymph

Wisdom --------

(2)

Elements, Nachomamma8

Chemist1422 -

(2)

chennisden, Oversoul

Nymph -

Not sparing:

- (1) Xayah

Fight Votecount 1.6

Nachomamma8 -

Elements -----

(2)

Oversoul, Chemist1422

chennisden ---

(1)

Elements

mastina -

Ginngie -------

(1)

Nymph

Xayah -

Oversoul -----

(3)

Rakan, Xayah, Ginngie

Rakan -

Wisdom -

Chemist1422-

(1)

Nachomamma8

Nymph -

Not Fighting:

- (3) chennisden, mastina, Wisdom

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Nachomamma8 warms up to the idea of a rowdier game. Especially once Ginngie points out the community's lack of leadership. "We could play snowball soccer with no yellow and red cards! Only Joker cards! If you trip somebody, you're the real joker! Rebel both against organized sports and poker!!" Momentarily, in hopes that everyone will agree to his game, Nachomamma8 pretends to be unable to fly, as though perhaps he could be tripped.

With eleven alive, it takes six votes on one option to make a decision

(expired on 2019-10-17 17:06:42)

[Nachomamma8]

It's not necessarily bad to spare scummy players in the neutral ending, while yes mafia get an extra kill it also greatly narrows down where the mafia is, and still provides us with a clear that mafia probably don't kill if we can lynch correctly. Also, if they're town, that's a player we would have lynched that we now don't have to

It's not terrible to spare scummy people but it's much better to spare a couple of strong town players that can solidify reads and bond in the spare PT and then hit the ground running as a confirmed town group

[Nachomamma8]

I like Xayah's opening. She's making waves.

[Nachomamma8]

So I never played this mode before so can y'all decide how we approach this and let me know what we do mechanically?

I'd love if somebody talked about the neutral route with me

I'm in favor of going 2-2. 3 spares is not enough flips to be useful - not particularly different from the pacifist route if we go there and I guarantee we can spare two people and not hit scum/hit scum with two lynches (and if we can't, we were prolly gonna lose no matter how we played).

I've also come around to Ginngie and Nymph town. Ginngie high posts spoke to my soul and Nymph's mechanics posts felt like a genuine lost.

[Nachomamma8]

Why are people saying I'm tunneling? He hard softed pr, he's either mafia or actually pr, and we should react appropriately. That's not tunneling...

You're presenting your line of thought like it's the only one that matters and all other lines of thought are dumb or wrong. That is tunneling.

[Nachomamma8]

I'd like to spare one of Wisdom/Ginngie today. I feel they're both strong town players who will make an impact who will be particularly effective in the spare PT. I am uninterested in sparing Rakan because even though he is remarkably town I don't think he will have the same impact as one of those two.

People I am comfortable with getting some sweet sweet death all lie in the Xayah/Mastina/Chemist group, although Chemist is the only person I would consider killing now (and that cld be unfair because I don't actually know him). I'm townreading everyone else which I don't exactly feel great about, which means I probably shouldn't have caught up on my phone.

[Nachomamma8]

And it's probably pretty hypocritical but I'm sad Mastina hasn't projected town harder yet considering she's my ideal candidate for a D1 spare simply because she would be the best to put in work to the PT and develop preliminary thoughts before she got company

[Wisdom]

I dont want to be spared. Im useless in a pt where i cant talk to people and figure them out.

[Wisdom]

and nacho ignoring this means hes likely scum

[Wisdom]

nacho/xayah my top scumreads, nymph just behind them, mastina still pretty null, others more or less townish

[Ginngie]

To be honest since mastina is here I'm the ideal D1 spare.

[Ginngie]

HEAL: Ginngie

[Ginngie]

that flavor text is adorable

[mastina]

@mastina:

How is Rakan not town from his Oversoul interactions?

What's town about them? I saw hyper-aggression. If I knew who Rakan was maybe I'd be able to judge that hyper-aggression in the context of "oh for Rakan that's town" or "oh for Rakan that's scum" but lacking that knowledge all I can really say is that in isolation nothing about it was town. Would Rakan be my vote if I were interested in genocide/neutral? Oh heck no. (Okay, so I can't outright rule it out, but I can say that almost certainly? Probably not.) But while Rakan's not someone I'm interested in lynching, he's also not someone I see any reason to save, either.

[mastina]

People I am comfortable with getting some sweet sweet death all lie in the Xayah/Mastina/Chemist group, although Chemist is the only person I would consider killing now (and that cld be unfair because I don't actually know him).

Nacho. </3

[mastina]

And it's probably pretty hypocritical but I'm sad Mastina hasn't projected town harder yet considering she's my ideal candidate for a D1 spare simply because she would be the best to put in work to the PT and develop preliminary thoughts before she got company

I mean I'm pretty transparently town here but if you want to spare me when it becomes even MORE painfully obvious my answer is HECK no. I've no desire to be spared unless we are in fact going full pacifist--and if we are in fact going full pacifist, then I should be the last one sent in. Not the first. And if we don't go full pacifist, then screw sparing me, I'm much more useful here, trust me on that.

[Elements]

That was not a towny reaction Elements

as I said, I'm feeling volatile

@Elements:
You later said that you thought that the way that Chennis was pushing you was scummy because he should recognize that you are town, but here it doesn't read like that's the case. When did it shift from "meh" to "ok he's scum he should be townreading me by now"?

Both me and chennis are playing differently to last game. Last game channis started out as a loose flying tentacle trying to grasp onto the ideal way for town to win shooting out stream of thought style posts left right and centre. The flying tentacle bit not being present here is perfectly excusable seeing as he has prior experience with this set up. This time his posts don't seem very stream of conciousy. They seem more calculated especially the constant tunnelling on me.

Its like a kid in front of a pile of sweets:
Town chennis last game - "That one looks good, that one looks good, ooh! that one's rlly good! Maybe avoid that one, looks nasty."
Chennis this game: "Stay away from that one. I know you won't like it. These ones are all meh. Those two are good. Avoid the first one I mentioned."
The first scenario the child is recommending sweets to their friends. The second scenario the child is forcefully telling their friends to stay away from one type of sweet because they want more of it.

TL;DR
Chennis was a wibbly wobbly blob of consciousness last game and is a scheming calculated agenda pusher this game.

[Elements]

Sorry ur scumplay isnt the same it was last time elementals

Then proceeds to say I'm scum because my play is similar to last game.

U feel like ur asking questions to ask questions just like last game.

He asked pointless and easy questions

He is asking pointless and easy questions

He doesnt do that as town

undertale v 1.0 is the only completed game we've recently been together in.

for the sake of staying very far on the right side of the rules that's all ill say.

[Nymph]

@mastina:

How is Rakan not town from his Oversoul interactions?

What's town about them? I saw hyper-aggression. If I knew who Rakan was maybe I'd be able to judge that hyper-aggression in the context of "oh for Rakan that's town" or "oh for Rakan that's scum" but lacking that knowledge all I can really say is that in isolation nothing about it was town. Would Rakan be my vote if I were interested in genocide/neutral? Oh heck no. (Okay, so I can't outright rule it out, but I can say that almost certainly? Probably not.) But while Rakan's not someone I'm interested in lynching, he's also not someone I see any reason to save, either.

I never played with you before but this doesn't sound like a genuine response from the whole Rakan situation considering you almost completely ignored it until I asked you about it.

HURT: mastina