Open 767: Nomination Mafia [Day 7]

[Awoo]

Awoo, what am I supposed to do here? Yes my day 1 sucked. I own that. I also think Menalque is just mindlessly gunning and not sorting. I can respect voting me in a T v T v T situation as early play is my weakest. Just realize I was set up post flip.

Get a plurality of votes onto norwegianboy or guiltylion using any means necessary, or just post your reads and die.

If anyone set you up, it was myself and menalque. And if you flip green, yes, I will consider menalque as possible mafia. If you flip red, yes I will consider joey as possible mafia. Either way I end up suspecting a townread

[Menalque]

If it helps Titus I don’t wanna lynch you bc of your D1 I wanna lynch you bc of your D2

[Menalque]

chenn, could we get deadline countdowns in the VCs pls?

[Joey_]

Somehow I am starting to lean that GL might be the best flip, somehow. My guts says both titus/nEE are town meh

[Joey_]

I am definitely townreading scum tho because 3 scums can't fit my reads

[chennisden]

VC 2.5:

Titus (4)	Awoo 380, Menalque 391, NorwegianboyEE 479, Sujimichi 709.
NorwegianboyEE (3)	PMysterious, 492, Joey_ 612, Titus 474
GuiltyLion (0)
Not Voting (3)	pisskop 484, Creature, GuiltyLion

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2019-10-15 12:05:08).

[chennisden]

chenn, could we get deadline countdowns in the VCs pls?

aah my bad

(expired on 2019-10-15 12:05:08)

[Sujimichi]

I replaced Dongempire and am voting Titus (709).

[chennisden]

I replaced Dongempire and am voting Titus (709).

Oops, fixed. Thanks for calling it to my attention.

[Titus]

VLA until Monday

I know the timing sucks but I'm not giving up time with my Goddaughter for mafia.

[chennisden]

Noted.

[GuiltyLion]

Hm, she didn't anti-town, she just outed her reads who ended up wrong just like most of the table. Burying scum from your pov isn't that anti-town and it was on the verge of the lynch, so she had town behind her back and mutant was pretty much the designated lynch.

It's true titus has been pretty bad since d2 (and imo d1 was sloppy af). That doesn't make her scum tho. What is the scum agenda in being useless in a lynchpool?

BTw, you have been biased towards your reads since the very beginning with the latest post saying "Titus sounds like giving up scum" which comes from someone trying to confirm their POV.

I'll get to what I'm getting at. We go into the day. Titus is supposed to be the strongest person in the lynch pool, gets self nominated as scum. Norwegianboy just mishammered, and correspondence is afk. EZ mislynches in the bag, free towncred incoming.

Things don't go as planned, no one buys the correspondence thing, and norwegianboy doesn't catch on either. Momentum swings to titus. Scum partners (in union with the rest of the gmae) start calling titus scum and get ready for the bus. Titus as scum with daychat knows she's being bussed, and starts playing the giving up routine instead of actually fighting like mutant did. Lines up, doesn't it? And it's not too crazy of a story. Doesn't rely on specific associations with any hypothetical partners, and it explains her current behaviour.

What does titus have to do to say she's been set up? She needs to call me scum.

I mean, you have this read because his read list is very "convenient" aka common & not unique in anyway, correct?
From the moment you saw his list, you basically already believed he was mafia and tried to confirm that by questioning him; your whole line of questioning is biased and your conclusion too.
I understand why having a convenient read list can be scummy, but why is it not possible it's just coming from town ? You know a lot of people share this list, so I am assuming a lot of town too, so why not another townie, because of a replace in?

I don't really have any answers to those questions but I am just trying to make you realize the way you approached his posts.

"if he lied about his having a written out readslist developed when he said he did, and actually he just had some reads from skimming the last few pages and reading the overall state -- that he then later fleshed out and came up with reasons for -- I'm saying that's scum indicative"

I understand your rationale and suji could be mafia, I just think his answers were pretty good and made sens from a town pov, thats all.

"The thing is, he could also very well have posted the exact way he said he did and still be scum."

It's rhetoric but basically assomption A being true (his read list rdy or something) doesn't make assomption B true (his alignement). Like, he could've lied or exaggerated the reality for town purposes rather than scum ones etc. Basically I am saying that its not a good way to find his alignement

100% agree with both of these posts. I think the most likely explanation for Titus lynch feeling slow is scum are reluctant to commit to the bus. also because I'm not voting there yet.

and I think regardless of his alignment suji was probably honest about the note-taking/bb code process

[GuiltyLion]

NGL joey, if I'm wrong somewhere and suji flips scum you're looking

real

good for partners right about now

the fact that you seem really keen to encourage thinking about what might be possible regarding suji rather than what's likely is a big fat scumping for me

eh I don't really agree with this, I doubt he goes to bat this much for a partner!suji. Plus he mostly seems to be pushing back on your process rather than your read

[GuiltyLion]

The vote is being pushed away from her and onto me, can’t you see it?

can you be a bit more explicit about who is doing the pushing and what you think their alignments are? vague generalities like this without naming names are bad

[GuiltyLion]

I feel confident in his ability to see I am town

why? I've mislynched you before I think. Most of the games I remember we were opposite alignments

[NorwegianboyEE]

The vote is being pushed away from her and onto me, can’t you see it?

can you be a bit more explicit about who is doing the pushing and what you think their alignments are? vague generalities like this without naming names are bad

Well Joey's been pushing for me and now he seems to think me and Titus are town and you might be scum. So if Titus is scum then obviously i'd be suspicious of him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Titus
You haven't answered 718

[NorwegianboyEE]

PMysterious's slot is terrible.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not sure how i feel about GuiltyLion yet.

[PMysterious]

Well Joey's been pushing for me and now he seems to think me and Titus are town and you (

referring to GuiltyLion

) might be scum.

So if Titus is scum then obviously i'd be suspicious of him.

In the bold, if that's the case, then this recent vote count says a different story.

VC 2.5:

Titus (4)	Awoo 380, Menalque 391, NorwegianboyEE 479, Sujimichi 709.
NorwegianboyEE (3)	PMysterious, 492, Joey_ 612, Titus 474
GuiltyLion (0)
Not Voting (3)	pisskop 484, Creature, Correspondence

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2019-10-15 12:05:08).

So, if Joey thinks that GuiltyLion is scum, then, why is Joey's vote on you instead of GuiltyLion? In fact, GuiltyLion has no votes at all, granted, mostly because Correspondence was replaced out

BTW, Mod, you need to change Correspondence's name to GuiltyLion

, but still, if Joey was to think GuiltyLion is scum, wouldn't he put his vote on GuiltyLion?

Done

[pisskop]

guilty should ketchup

[PMysterious]

Somehow I am starting to lean that GL might be the best flip, somehow. My guts says both titus/nEE are town meh

I saw this, and now I'm curious. If you think GL is the best flip, then explain a few things.

1. For everyone voting Titus, explain why you think Titus is town.

2. For everyone voting NorwegianboyEE (like me), explain why you think Norway is town.

3. If you think GuiltyLion is the best lynch, then why aren't you voting him yourself?

[Menalque]

Somehow I am starting to lean that GL might be the best flip, somehow. My guts says both titus/nEE are town meh

I saw this, and now I'm curious. If you think GL is the best flip, then explain a few things.

1. For everyone voting Titus, explain why you think Titus is town.

2. For everyone voting NorwegianboyEE (like me), explain why you think Norway is town.

3. If you think GuiltyLion is the best lynch, then why aren't you voting him yourself?

I don’t think titus is town

But I think her play today has been terrible

The push on correspondence felt really off to me because I don’t understand why you’d wanna hardpush that early not wait for a replacement

Then she’s also just been v absent in a way that I think is kinda scum indicative, but I do need to check something there

[PMysterious]

It was in reference to GuiltyLion. I was wanting him to answer to everyone voting for the other players. My apologies for the confusion.

Anyway, GuiltyLion, just answer the questions above, and explain it "for" everyone in each category.

[Joey_]

Somehow I am starting to lean that GL might be the best flip, somehow. My guts says both titus/nEE are town meh

The vote is being pushed away from her and onto me, can’t you see it?

can you be a bit more explicit about who is doing the pushing and what you think their alignments are? vague generalities like this without naming names are bad

Well Joey's been pushing for me and now he seems to think me and Titus are town and you might be scum. So if Titus is scum then obviously i'd be suspicious of him.

This is a misrep, i said better flip considering the nEE/Titus might be town, I didn't say he might be scum