Mini 2097 - Make Me Regret This Game Over

[eth0s]

@chemist Since you already role revealed can you start giving us more content? I figure your lack of scumhunting had to do with trying to stay out of the spotlight to avoid being nked/having to claim but since you already claimed rolecop (and I don't understand why scum would have a bloodhound and a rolecop unless upick is really just wacky like that) I would really appreciate using your obvtown ability to guide us or at least give us some more perspective.

Telling us that we shouldn't lynch jjh (still don't fully agree) is nice and all I guess but you still have done pretty much zilch for scumhunting and I would like you to change that.

[eth0s]

If it was just one nontown faction there’s no reason they wouldn’t be just a cop

also why? I think someone else asked about this too but idr. His failure chance could just be a balancing thing, no? I actually wonder if all scum have kind of nerfed roles and 4 (now 3) members?
Although at least 2 of the townflips so far seem to suggest that town's PRs are not as powerful as I originally thought

[eth0s]

multiball/neutral killing role means we should have statistically had more than 1 nk on at least one night so far (unless arsonist or some other weird role that I'm not aware of). If it's multiball then I have a second set of reads entirely.

[mastina]

then what is the point of someone being informed that there is at least one player with a role that has something to do with water?

DEB was an empty jug, informed that there was at least one player whose role had to do with water, and upon the death of a player whose role had something to do with water, would inherit that role--a Backup role specific to those with a container of water in their role.

TD's role had water in it; mine had water in it; DEB could presumably have inherited either of our roles.

[mastina]

Mastina did somehow figure out what the info was though

I mean when DEB flipped empty jug informed about the existence of x and inheriting the abilities of x when x died...not that hard a conclusion to reach when you're the player with the role DEB's backing up? It's obvious enough. I'm a 2-liter water bottle. DEB was an empty jug. When a 2-liter water bottle dies, DEB as an empty jug could inherit the water from the 2-liter water bottle and thus become a 2-liter water bottle.

[mastina]

I don't understand any of the mastina water stuff and don't care to, someone else figure it out and dumb it down for me later
I don't think I'm getting much out of these conversations and I'd rather find scum based on what elements did this game and how end of day 2 turned out, wish me luck

Okay so while TL's my strongest scumread I'm like 98% sure the third is Elbirn at this point.

[eth0s]

Does this water flavor at all imply some kind of arsonist? I just thought about that

[Menalque]

I don't understand any of the mastina water stuff and don't care to, someone else figure it out and dumb it down for me later
I don't think I'm getting much out of these conversations and I'd rather find scum based on what elements did this game and how end of day 2 turned out, wish me luck

Okay so while TL's my strongest scumread I'm like 98% sure the third is Elbirn at this point.

Aren’t we lucky that if TL flips scum we’ll have time to do suji first in case you’re right

[mastina]

I don't understand any of the mastina water stuff and don't care to, someone else figure it out and dumb it down for me later
I don't think I'm getting much out of these conversations and I'd rather find scum based on what elements did this game and how end of day 2 turned out, wish me luck

Okay so while TL's my strongest scumread I'm like 98% sure the third is Elbirn at this point.

Aren’t we lucky that if TL flips scum we’ll have time to do suji first in case you’re right

We sure are, but you'd be stupid for doing so, for two basic reasons:
1: Suji has been contributing reasonable content. This content doesn't inherently come from town, but it does at least look genuine. I'd still lynch Suji so the content isn't enough to reverse the scumread, but this in of itself would be reason enough to vote Elbirn first.

2: But more importantly, Elbirn is guilty of hypocrisy of the highest degree.

Remember when he accused me of coasting by and not scumhunting? Where he said that I was scum because I wasn't contributing content and was being lazy?

I sure do! Now guess what he himself is guilty of, as proven by posts like 1557?

[Elbirn]

Being confused is the same thing as laziness

I am vanquished forever

[Menalque]

Hypocrisy isn’t scum

Also I don’t even particularly SR suji, but I think EP was very scummy. My desire to lynch there comes more from EP’s content than suji’s

[Elbirn]

Oh hi mena

I still haven't gleaned anything particularly useful but I continue to believe that suji/TL are bad lynches

Scum (JJH/Mastina) tried to build counterwagons on TL and EP yesterday to save bff elements. They're not scum.

Mastina is grasping at straws and JJ was trying to come up with a reason to scumread me because they have to. They have to insist on the PoV that scum bussed because they're fucked otherwise

[mastina]

Oh hi mena

I still haven't gleaned anything particularly useful but I continue to believe that suji/TL are bad lynches

Scum (JJH/Mastina) tried to build counterwagons on TL and EP yesterday to save bff elements. They're not scum.

Mastina is grasping at straws and JJ was trying to come up with a reason to scumread me because they have to. They have to insist on the PoV that scum bussed because they're fucked otherwise

Your narrative has a fundamental chronology problem, mate.

The Elements wagon was high nonexistent before the TL/EP wagons. The TL/EP wagons PREDATE the Elements wagon. A fact easily verifiable by checking the VCS.

[Menalque]

Oh hi mena

I still haven't gleaned anything particularly useful but I continue to believe that suji/TL are bad lynches

Scum (JJH/Mastina) tried to build counterwagons on TL and EP yesterday to save bff elements. They're not scum.

Mastina is grasping at straws and JJ was trying to come up with a reason to scumread me because they have to. They have to insist on the PoV that scum bussed because they're fucked otherwise

Explain chem then

[Menalque]

can we have a VC pls

[Elbirn]

Tldr lol I don't care

Longer version: TL/EP were the scumteams only viable mislynches yesterday and when push came to shove jjh was going to bat for elements and trying to wrangle up the EP lynch, where you were conveniently parked all day and then did the same shit as day 1 where you showed up after lynch to shitpost and try to take some credit for it (man I so scumread elements ha ha)

Pedit: @mastina

[Elbirn]

Oh hi mena

I still haven't gleaned anything particularly useful but I continue to believe that suji/TL are bad lynches

Scum (JJH/Mastina) tried to build counterwagons on TL and EP yesterday to save bff elements. They're not scum.

Mastina is grasping at straws and JJ was trying to come up with a reason to scumread me because they have to. They have to insist on the PoV that scum bussed because they're fucked otherwise

Explain chem then

Innocent bystander

[Elbirn]

Oh hi mena

I still haven't gleaned anything particularly useful but I continue to believe that suji/TL are bad lynches

Scum (JJH/Mastina) tried to build counterwagons on TL and EP yesterday to save bff elements. They're not scum.

Mastina is grasping at straws and JJ was trying to come up with a reason to scumread me because they have to. They have to insist on the PoV that scum bussed because they're fucked otherwise

Explain chem then

Innocent bystander

ACTUALLY

I'm not sure what you mean here after all, because chemist was not voting iirc

[Chemist1422]

Oh hi mena

I still haven't gleaned anything particularly useful but I continue to believe that suji/TL are bad lynches

Scum (JJH/Mastina) tried to build counterwagons on TL and EP yesterday to save bff elements. They're not scum.

Mastina is grasping at straws and JJ was trying to come up with a reason to scumread me because they have to. They have to insist on the PoV that scum bussed because they're fucked otherwise

Explain chem then

Innocent bystander

ACTUALLY

I'm not sure what you mean here after all, because chemist was not voting iirc

I am claiming a softclear on jjh is what he means

[Elbirn]

Well then in that case the actual answer is I'm just an asshole

[Chemist1422]

Alright then

I have some work to do on a thing but I'll try to dive into this game tonight

[Menalque]

Alright then

I have some work to do on a thing but I'll try to dive into this game tonight

Can u do this now chem

?

[Chemist1422]

no

(soon)

[Adorable]

Elements (6): Adorable, eth0s, Elbirn, Menalque, Sujimichi, TiphaineDeath
Elbirn (2): Elements, TemporalLich
Sujimichi (2): mastina, jjh927

Not voting: Chemist1422

This is what the vote count looked like on day 2 and I find this odd TD gets killed instead of one of the first 4 voters on Elements wagon. jjh and TL defended Elements and I am now null on them. I have seen so many town players defend scum and get mislynched the next day for defending scum and I start to wonder if jjh and TL are town who thought Elements was town or if one of them is scum and today I see Chemist saying jjh is town.

Adorable can u do me a readslist pls

Menalque - 4th voter on the wagon and he wanted to lynch Elements so badly and I don't think scum would want to lynch their scum buddy so badly and I'm leaning town on this slot.
eth0s - I've said this before on day 2. On day 1 he didn't want to lynch Korina and instead he wanted Korina to get invested by a cop which looked like it was coming from a town player's point of view.
EP/Sujimichi - eth0s did not want to lynch EP on day 2 and I was assuming this slot was going to be confirmed town.
Elbirn - He was the third voter on the wagon and he would have been a good night kill since Elements also voted him which made Elbirn look town. Either Elbirn is town who was a mislynch bait for scum or he is scum who was getting bussed my Elements.
Chemist - Has been asking questions and I haven't seen him suspecting anyone and instead he said he did not want to vote Elements but Elements claim and action looked so bad.
TL and jjh - They both defended Elements and I have seen alot of town defend scum and get mislynched for defending scum. Once in a while I will see scum defend their scum buddy but not often and both of those slots it can go either way.
Mastina - She voted Elements but later she switches her vote to EP when eth0s said he did not want to lynch EP on day 2 and she still left her vote on EP when Elements was the best lynch target because his play was suspicious and his claim and action looked so bad.

I think the hidden remaining scum are somewhere in this list.

Mastina
jjh
Elbirn
TL
Chemist

It took me a while to write this.

I feel like as if I have already pretty much said what I had to say over here and we just need to narrow down the suspects on this list. Chemist is confirming jjh is town and if we are to believe them, then that would leave Mastina, Elbirn, TL, and probably Suji we would need to look at or unless one of my town reads is powerwolfing which I hope is not happening.

[TemporalLich]

my vote is still on jjh despite chemist's "softclear"