newbie 1956 - car seat headrest [we gotta go back]

[eth0s]

I notice that you engaged with the self meta bit as opposed to the fact that your entire case on me is predicated on you have evidence that I changed my primary scumread when you acknowledged you would have had no way of knowing.

The reason you like to go tit for tat as scum is becoming obvious to me now. You look for any way to spin a post to fit your agenda and do it with the reputation you have for gamesolves. Then you basically get to sit on a high horse and cherrypick info and even if someone challenges you on it you can always fall back on the "i'm a great game solver and I'm playing my town meta" defense. Am I wrong?

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean, I can do more. I can go over you calling out 3 scumreads on D1 but with a "strong preference" on the ones that weren't Egix. I've already gone over your bad associatives from his end, I haven't actually gone over your bad associatives in their entirety from your end. I can continue shitting on you and showing everyone why you're scum until the cows come home, but at this point I do not think that it is necessary: I think that what has been done already will be enough for everyone to see that you're scum.

You yourself hyped up my town game, so even IF I get lynched somehow I think that you'll get powerlynched.

The reason you like to go tit for tat as scum is becoming obvious to me now. You look for any way to spin a post to fit your agenda and do it with the reputation you have for gamesolves. Then you basically get to sit on a high horse and cherrypick info and even if someone challenges you on it you can always fall back on the "i'm a great game solver and I'm playing my town meta" defense. Am I wrong?

On the other hand... if I'm scum and you in fact flip town... that looks really bad with all the hyping that both of us have done about my town play.
And I've sort of burned my bridges in terms of lynching anyone else, so isn't this good enough for you? We're both dying before the end of the game. Aren't you thankful?

[RadiantCowbells]

The reason you like to go tit for tat as scum is becoming obvious to me now.

Also, this is blatantly untrue and I can cite about a dozen examples of me saying, as both alignments, that I hate being in 1v1 situations.
Just hate it. I hate being forced to hard energy 1v1s, and then I hate how I get so much shit the next day for getting reads wrong. Because, y'know, that rep we were talking about.

But it's really convenient to push the "rc likes 1v1s as scum" logic because you need to handwave the fact that my play doesn't make sense as scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also, this is blatantly untrue and I can cite about a dozen examples of me saying, as both alignments, that I hate being in 1v1 situations.

Should clarify: this means that I have said as both alignments that I hate being in 1v1 situations as scum.
Love it as town, love killing scumfucks.

[RadiantCowbells]

As scum, I like it when the people that I mislynch go to the grave insisting that I am definitely town and to never lynch me for it

[RadiantCowbells]

Also, I want to address the lack of content argument from before: I didn't even have the top posts in that game where I supposedly made the most content as scum and town was basically doing fucking nothing in it to the point I bitched in scumthread about town not fucking playing. I made 50 posts over about a week.

I have made almost 100 posts in a couple of hours in this game. One of them is an example of my high level of energy and effort as town. One of them is not.

[eth0s]

Btw he has already shown signs of trying to slide away from his supposed top scumread to omg us me because he knows he's scum and will be caught if I live.

You

were

my top scumread, and you knew I was going to go after you.

To me reading this game it was really obvious that scum was between Jamelia/Eth0s. I'm currently leaning Jamelia of the two for reasons that I'll eventually make apparent.

I've already expressed that I'm fine being lynched tomorrow should you flip town. I don't believe that you believe you're playing to your wincondition right now if you're town.

I also think Jamelia is town now for /reasons/ so.

mic drop

[eth0s]

I think that the obvious answer is Jamelia and that's who I would expect to get lynched if I wasn't here
but based on ~spicy RC scumhunting~ there's a lot of less obvious stuff that points to Eth0s, not least of which his getting threatened and voting me
And historically any time I've seen a game filled with "oh there's reasons to scumread X but I just can't possibly see them as scum nd they can win if they're scum" that person has been scum.

Usually, it's been in reference to me

the justifying post that gives us so much reasoning for the flip flopping. Basically has totally admitted at this point that he only scumreads me for our 1v1 (that means he knows the risk of letting me live to lylo is too high given my obvtown status).

You nailed your own coffin, RC.

[RadiantCowbells]

You've literally done nothing besides show that at one point during the game I was leaning Jamelia over you. I have been very open about that fact and it's actually kind of a towntell for me to be unsure about scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think that the obvious answer is Jamelia and that's who I would expect to get lynched if I wasn't here
but based on ~spicy RC scumhunting~ there's a lot of less obvious stuff that points to Eth0s, not least of which his getting threatened and voting me
And historically any time I've seen a game filled with "oh there's reasons to scumread X but I just can't possibly see them as scum nd they can win if they're scum" that person has been scum.

Usually, it's been in reference to me

the justifying post that gives us so much reasoning for the flip flopping. Basically has totally admitted at this point that he only scumreads me for our 1v1 (that means he knows the risk of letting me live to lylo is too high given my obvtown status).

You nailed your own coffin, RC.

Lol. Spicy reads clearly referred to my argument around your interactions with Egix making sense as goon with the scum roleblocker and the mason claim.
Also note that he's trying to,

AGAIN

, argue that I only scumread him for the 1v1. As in, he's trying to discredit my read on him after I flip town.

There's no other reason for him to be digging into this than that he needs my scumread on him to be somehow 'flawed' going into tomorrow if he gets me lynched.
These also aren't town posts. Eth0s if scared shitless of my scumgame like he has implied doesn't say something stupid like "You nailed your own coffin, RC."

That's scum bluster. He's scum. He needs to die. gg ez.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, this doesn't matter if he's town because in the long run

whether he was my primary scumread or not, whether the reason I scumread him is 1v1 related or not says NOTHING about my alignment

What it does say, going into tomorrow, is that you can discredit my read on him because I was "only scumreading him because of the 1v1!!!"

He's playing to scum wincondition who has to survive my lynch and discredit my read on him, not to town wincondition in which, really, my reason for scumreading him is irrelevant if I'm just scum.
All he needs to do as town is convince people to lynch me. That's not the goal of arguing about my scumread on him. The goal of that is to discredit my read on him.

[eth0s]

Also and this is in preparation for my big case which is still a lot of effort and I'm lazy, but if Eth0s thinks this highly of themself, why would they be trying to bait a nightkill d1

because I'm a VT and was likely going to be a mislynch if wrong about the d1 alignment (which I was wrong about). I also would have loved to be night killed here if I was right because that leaves town with a 6v1 and no dead PRs. I've already explained most of this. Keep reaching.

[eth0s]

Also, I allowed for the possibility that Town!Eth0s would have gone against me in this way just out of paranoia of me but otoh I don't think Eth0s really has a reason to be that paranoid.
And, as I already cited:

Then you must also disagree with my thinking that at that point in the game only an egix lynch seemed possible? If you agree with that line of thinking then you should see that an earlyish bus would absolutely make sense to buy extra towncred if he is expecting his partner to be the only possible lynch option.

Well I always said that my main scumlead was Faustiv. So, I do disagree that Egix is the only lynch that makes sense. Because it doesn't make sense to me as much as a faustiv OR a vote on you.

then why did you state intent to hammer on egix in 716...

ugh

FoS: Jamelia

geyde I am inclined to trust you second most right now. can you get some wagon/votecount analysis going to help me out here?

I would like to say that Eth0s respects me enough as a town player to be interested in my input here, and there isn't a progression to the scumread.
Conversely, I would like to say that Eth0s respects me enough as scum to try to go after me as opposed to trying to dodge a scumread by me.

It's tremendously anti-town to go after a replacement in this manner. I don't think this is an actual thing that would happen from town them.
Atp, I'd be fine to be lynched tomorrow if I'm wrong because I think that if Eth0s is town that this play really needs to be punished.

Won 1943: Crosswords for going after an obvscum replacement. Bad logic.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also and this is in preparation for my big case which is still a lot of effort and I'm lazy, but if Eth0s thinks this highly of themself, why would they be trying to bait a nightkill d1

because I'm a VT and was likely going to be a mislynch if wrong about the d1 alignment (which I was wrong about). I also would have loved to be night killed here if I was right because that leaves town with a 6v1 and no dead PRs. I've already explained most of this. Keep reaching.

This isn't the kind of play you expect from someone who repeatedly talks about how they're the GOAT and scum can't win the game if they stay alive.
You're also ignoring the fact that TPRs could have outed to CC you in that day phase. It's an incredibly anti-town move. But it makes perfect sense as scum trying to out PRs.

Also... if scum believed your PR soft (ie, didn't know it was false) why didn't they kill you at night?

[RadiantCowbells]

Won 1943: Crosswords for going after an obvscum replacement. Bad logic.

I'm obvtown though. My predecessor was obvtown. You've still generated very little substance for why you supposedly believe that I'm scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

If I'm such an obvscum replacement of an obvscum slot, I would think that you would have a better argument for why I'm scum than "RC didn't originally scumread me and now he does" with no proof of that claim.

[eth0s]

Also and this is in preparation for my big case which is still a lot of effort and I'm lazy, but if Eth0s thinks this highly of themself, why would they be trying to bait a nightkill d1

because I'm a VT and was likely going to be a mislynch if wrong about the d1 alignment (which I was wrong about). I also would have loved to be night killed here if I was right because that leaves town with a 6v1 and no dead PRs. I've already explained most of this. Keep reaching.

This isn't the kind of play you expect from someone who repeatedly talks about how they're the GOAT and scum can't win the game if they stay alive.
You're also ignoring the fact that TPRs could have outed to CC you in that day phase. It's an incredibly anti-town move. But it makes perfect sense as scum trying to out PRs.

Also... if scum believed your PR soft (ie, didn't know it was false) why didn't they kill you at night?

maybe because a fucking cop flipped mr "I read the game"

[RadiantCowbells]

maybe because a fucking cop flipped mr "I read the game"

shrug. it could be read as literally any PR soft. there's no reason for scum not to interpret that as a doctor soft.
also, that was a terrible selfvote and your entire "ok lynch me if you have a correct scumpool later!!!" on d1 was LAMIST bullshit that never comes from town.

[eth0s]

Also, this is blatantly untrue and I can cite about a dozen examples of me saying, as both alignments, that I hate being in 1v1 situations.

Should clarify: this means that I have said as both alignments that I hate being in 1v1 situations as scum.
Love it as town, love killing scumfucks.

Why even continue this discussion? We're both locked in, let's go. You know that I'm better at arguing, continuing this fight will only hurt your chances.
Everyone else just vote one of us.

@ everyone else: remember this if I flip today

[eth0s]

maybe because a fucking cop flipped mr "I read the game"

shrug. it could be read as literally any PR soft. there's no reason for scum not to interpret that as a doctor soft.
also, that was a terrible selfvote and your entire "ok lynch me if you have a correct scumpool later!!!" on d1 was LAMIST bullshit that never comes from town.

how could that have been any PR soft? it was a blatant fake mason slip. You are so fucking lucky draynth was the self-claimed doctor because you wouldn't have a chance at winning this game if he was alive

[RadiantCowbells]

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Also: Look who quickhammered said town cop before they could give a claim? Egix 4 Eth0s 5 into a lynch onto a PR and on someone who I believe scum would have PR read.
You know what game I explicitly suggested quickhammering people before they could claim? The game that Egix was town and I was scum in and that I know for a fact he read.
You quickhammer people without letting them claim because that way, the PRs can't claim. It's a strategy that Egix is fully aware of because of our history.

I think the odds of it being coincidence that it happened in this game with Egix flipped scum are very low

[RadiantCowbells]

how could that have been any PR soft? it was a blatant fake mason slip. You are so fucking lucky draynth was the self-claimed doctor because you wouldn't have a chance at winning this game if he was alive

A blatant mason slip that would have been highly likely to bait the cop's action not onto the roleblocker, sure.
I am willing to entirely concede that point because it's not worth arguing, but it doesn't make your actions look any better.

[eth0s]

I'm over this at this point. I am actually

100%

sure that RC is scum here and I don't think I've ever even said that about someone before.

I'm only saying this so I can brag about it in post game regardless of the outcome.

[RadiantCowbells]

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Also: Look who quickhammered said town cop before they could give a claim? Egix 4 Eth0s 5 into a lynch onto a PR and on someone who I believe scum would have PR read.
You know what game I explicitly suggested quickhammering people before they could claim? The game that Egix was town and I was scum in and that I know for a fact he read.
You quickhammer people without letting them claim because that way, the PRs can't claim. It's a strategy that Egix is fully aware of because of our history.

I think the odds of it being coincidence that it happened in this game with Egix flipped scum are very low

Just remember that Faustiv was obviously not PR, was Eth0s's top scumread all game, and yet he wasn't voting them and ended up quickhammering a town PR.
Then he claimed mason.
Doesn't that look like the kind of play you would make as scum if you were deliberately trying to bait cop actions if any? QL someone then claim a contradictory PR?

I've thought for a while the reason Eth0s went after me, by the way, was because Egix probably cited me as the source of the strategy that he employed.
In other words, the reason Eth0s would have known I was going after them is because he knows full well that the scum strat they use is one I'd immediately recognize as my own.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm over this at this point. I am actually

100%

sure that RC is scum here and I don't think I've ever even said that about someone before.

I'm only saying this so I can brag about it in post game regardless of the outcome.

More scum bluster. Kill it and I'll literally selfvote tomorrow if it's wrong. This is desperate scum that knows that it was fucked from the moment of my replace in.