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[teacher]

Pagetop for the lulz.

[AaronFrost]

To continue this assumption, I would like to say that the contradiction was in one post only actually.
Re-reading these two posts I can see that the contradiction took place in #351 only. I really doubt and SE would have read George as PR, however coming up with this analysis (and I don't wanna be looked at like the black sheep of this game) really lowers you down on my list.

Will I sound like trash? I might be, but I do have a feeling that this might've been your NK and was planned since D1 once George started defending Dong. That was the perfect setup for a scum 200 IQ blackmail NK.

Can I be wrong? Of course. Is this actually an FoS if I think about it? Could be, actually.

Anyway

, will count you as neutral for now, Aaron.

Any obvtown can flip scum by the end of a game.

351 was not a contradiction, just me thinking about possible theories as to why scum went for George.

I don't like playing the whole "well I'd do this as scum" card because that gets very WIFOM-y, but I will say one beneficial move for scum here in my eyes is to keep George alive and kill one of the more active players so that this already slow-paced game becomes even more slow paced, which is what's starting to make me think that one of the more active players is potentially scum.

You brought up the possibility of one of the more obv-town players pulling the wool over our eyes. I think teacher is a good candidate in this case and ever since the day start I've been reconsidering my read on him. Not really sure why this is the case and it's mostly a gut feeling. Gonna reread that game I played with him (1954) and see what I can make of it.

[Spartan117]

Have been quite busy today but here is a rough take from what I've seen from skimming through the posts on my phone,

I get the sense that everyone seems to be scumreading salad, and I defo was and am still very suspect of his behaviour, lack of input if he is town, but It strikes me as odd that if everyones scumreading him and seems prepared to lynch him, that he doesnt have a scum buddy, and by default would be town, I'm not saying he is but its definitely making me think that it could actually be the case.

I thought teachers post on George and how he reveals his VT role irl d1 was interesting, as its more than possible that the NK could have been orchestrated by a experienced player, killing George with the idea in mind to distance themselves with reasoning to nk George, as others stated they thought he was killed because of his pr potential while teacher claims that to be readable early on. I just dont feel as town you need to distance yourself from it in such a way, idk maybe that's just me.

I'm liking Yodas increase in activity, seeing lots of walls atm that I havnt got the time to examine properly will attempt to properly go through them in more detail tomorrow. Am about to be going out but will have my phone on me so will check back every now and then and will attempt to respond to anything that I am able to.

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 2.02

Here is a story! Story it is! is about how fairytales begin and end in different languages.

In Hungarian it goes "Once there was, where there wasn't ... and they lived happily until they died"

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Saladman27

(2): AaronFrost, Gimm1ck

Gimm1ck

(1): Saladman27

Not Voting

(4): Chibiie, Spartan117, teacher, Yodavader

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-10-17 19:00:00).

Mod notes:

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[AaronFrost]

Well this is fun.

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: Chiibie

[Yodavader]

Have been quite busy today but here is a rough take from what I've seen from skimming through the posts on my phone,

I get the sense that everyone seems to be scumreading salad, and I defo was and am still very suspect of his behaviour, lack of input if he is town, but It strikes me as odd that if everyones scumreading him and seems prepared to lynch him, that he doesnt have a scum buddy, and by default would be town, I'm not saying he is but its definitely making me think that it could actually be the case.

Yeah, I'm still very intent on voting for salad, and more so now because his defense of "whose my scum buddy?" doesn't help us out, unless that's a new/good argument that's started since I last played.

I thought teachers post on George and how he reveals his VT role irl d1 was interesting, as its more than possible that the NK could have been orchestrated by a experienced player, killing George with the idea in mind to distance themselves with reasoning to nk George, as others stated they thought he was killed because of his pr potential while teacher claims that to be readable early on. I just dont feel as town you need to distance yourself from it in such a way, idk maybe that's just me.

I thought that was a stretch. I know people will claim through hidden messages but even that's a bit much.

I'm liking Yodas increase in activity

Thanks, I'm trying.

[Saladman27]

VOTE: Chiibie

Is there a reason to vote him other than his change in opinion of me?

[Chibiie]

Will reply soon.
I see strange behavior changes and confusing plays.

[Chibiie]

Nope, did not open like that in 1952.
[...]

This will be a long and interesting post, I'm getting kind of excited with the flow of the game. The real puzzle-solving begins now.

I've took the time to read through your ISO and start connecting the dots for our plays. You'll be pretty surprised by the end of this long post. First, I will open by saying that I can now clearly understand who played before together and that is you, teacher, Dong and Salad. You and all SEs played together, that puts us in a funny situation.

I've added my thoughts under your answers:

Sure I'll bite at the questions. Been working on schoolwork all day today so haven't been around much.

I’m hating the slowness of the game. I’ve got like 2 reads out of rand and we are a couple days in. Let’s try some getting to know you questions to hopefully start things off into the week. All slots kindly answer.

1. What is your experience at Mafia

A handful of games on MafiaScum. A few irl games of Ultimate Werewolf here and there.

I can tell, you do have a solid grasp of Mafia and social deduction in general.

2. How do you play as town

I usually observe, ask questions, pressure those I find scummy and generally obvtown it up.

I have yet to roll a PR

so no clue how I'd play if I did. Probably try to be less obvtown if I was a PR.

That was your claim right there. Since you do have some experience on this platform, I could call that a safe post, as a new player on this platform, I will start my next game by somehow obvtowning it up like that too.

3. How do you play as scum

If my only scum game on here is any indication, badly. But seriously

I try to emulate my town playstyle.

Everyone does to a certain extent, scums do have to do additional stuff in order to win, soft pushes and so on.

4. What do you think gives away a player as scum or town

Scum will tend to push an agenda more than town will since scum already knows everyone's alignment. They'll also appeal to the crowd by posting things that appear townie on the surface, but don't fit the game state or just aren't very helpful. Town players will question and observe and more than likely change their reads often.

Townies in general should also be less afraid of how they look and more focused on either hunting scum.

That's what I do, I'm probably too focused on solving the game that I don't mind your vote on me. I'll keep going strong with my analyses and support them and like I said in D1, when standing by my no-lynch newb!play (I admit, now that I'm learning about this platform, I'll go for D1-lynches), even if I'll be targeted, my posts and theories will help Townies win.

5. Time zone/standard posting times

EST. I'm in university and work part time so whenever I have free time really.

Yeah distancing is a pretty common scum tactic but I think it's pretty unlikely that scum would be distancing from each other on Day 1, especially in a Newbie game.

Yep, I get the logic behind the tactic, however, I don't see myself and Salad doing this. I will make time to come back with a "briefing" post on my own ISO and chain my posts in order to present my logic so far and who I think scum might be.

Alright so looking through Saladman's meta, so far it does seem pretty consistent with town!Salad. I think my vote is better placed here honestly.

VOTE: Dongempire

Really did not like their case against teacher. teacher wasn't responding to the fact that he was at L-1, he was responding to Spartan when he seemed to imply that he was okay with hammering on page 2 and I think teacher's response is fine because of that. Not necessarily saying it's townie, but it's definitely not scummy.

So you did town!Salad too back in D1, right? Indeed, you first voted him for his #54 and mislynch concerns, but you did later read his meta as consistent and town!Salad. I've noticed you didn't post a list D1, only recently you did.
This is getting interesting, seems like I am not the only one that has changed his mind.

Never seen him scum.

117 is gross af.

I’m in school so pretty limited

It stinks right? or am I just missing some sort of meta where he acts all random looking for a lynch.

My issue with you putting things down to his townmeta especially now I know youve not seen his scum meta is what if they both look the same, what if this is scumsalad?

I think Salad mentioned earlier that he's never rolled scum before so he doesn't really have a scum meta. I could see scum Salad playing to his meta of being random and lynchbaity and us shrugging it off as just "that's his meta"

This is actually where I started planning my list for #204. I've been watching Yoda too tbh, I've mentioned that as well with my second list. Yoda was on my #204 list as a bottom Neutral for a while, now I've moved him to Scum :)

Probably gonna go back and reread some stuff when I get a chance

That's what I'm doing too, buddy. Eats a lot of time though.

[...]
George's hop on feels scummiest to me right now. Yoda is still a hard null for me, but his vote on Dong also feels pretty sheepy. Salad's is okay because it seems like he had a purpose for putting Dong at L-1 (trying to increase their activity level), but I'm still having a hard time reading that slot. teacher is probably the towniest person on the wagon right now, and of course I'm obviously town :D

So even though the votes in the last page are troubling, this is fine if we get a town flip. And if Dong flips scum, then that's even better because we can look at who was defending them/trying to bus them at the end of the day.

Well, I think that George's hop was scum too... Yoda jumping on that wagon too? Yep, fishy.
Salad had a reason, yes, teacher had one too after being pushed in RVS, however, what was your reason?
I'm not really sure how people read obvtown on this platform... I don't see very solid reasoning behind your jump, was it due to teacher being pushed in RVS? Were you backing up town!Salad's attempt to increase Dong's activity? It was D1, not much info, lynch was needed, I'm not going to assume this was scummy. It was a standard D1-lynch process.

Well thanks for narrowing down my scum pool I guess. I was going to push George today because he was playing pretty scummy.

I know, right? Scum should've known that he was going to be pushed too and get a different target in order to clean Townies easier for D2/N2. NK was a throw off. Salad's randomness? Yoda's lurking? In my own ISO "briefing" post that I want to post before we lynch, I will present my thoughts on who's scum.

I think Salad/Chiibie could be the team. Salad/Yoda is also possible.

I don't think Salad/Gimm1ck are ever a team.

I would like more info on this. You've already posted your list and then came up with a contradiction, I mean, at the end of my post I've posted what everyone can read in the Mod posts, so don't take my request as FoS. I'm genuinely curious of how you associate me to Salad. What puts me in this light to you?

Yeah I can expand.

Basically it's the sudden shift in your read on Salad. I read 280 as you were townreading Salad, and even if the read was neutral at that point, the sudden shift just feels unnatural to me. Seems like you were trying to distance from him on Day 1 and now you have an opportunity on Day 2 to go with the crowd that's scumreading him. Not 100% sure if Chiibie would bus him that quickly into the day though, so for now Chiibie/Salad team is just a theory.

Funny that this idea of me changing my mind has been pushed by someone who voted Salad in the beginning of D2, when earlier in D1 he was calling him town!Salad, right? So am I the only one changing his mind? Your change was faster and more sudden than mine.

Such a plot-twist of behavior

To continue this assumption, I would like to say that the contradiction was in one post only actually.
Re-reading these two posts I can see that the contradiction took place in #351 only. I really doubt and SE would have read George as PR, however coming up with this analysis (and I don't wanna be looked at like the black sheep of this game) really lowers you down on my list.

Will I sound like trash? I might be, but I do have a feeling that this might've been your NK and was planned since D1 once George started defending Dong. That was the perfect setup for a scum 200 IQ blackmail NK.

Can I be wrong? Of course. Is this actually an FoS if I think about it? Could be, actually.

Anyway

, will count you as neutral for now, Aaron.

Any obvtown can flip scum by the end of a game.

351 was not a contradiction, just me thinking about possible theories as to why scum went for George.

I don't like playing the whole "well I'd do this as scum" card because that gets very WIFOM-y, but I will say one beneficial move for scum here in my eyes is to keep George alive and kill one of the more active players so that this already slow-paced game becomes even more slow paced, which is what's starting to make me think that one of the more active players is potentially scum.

You brought up the possibility of one of the more obv-town players pulling the wool over our eyes. I think teacher is a good candidate in this case and ever since the day start I've been reconsidering my read on him. Not really sure why this is the case and it's mostly a gut feeling. Gonna reread that game I played with him (1954) and see what I can make of it.

I admit I might've rushed through the post and read it wrong. Like I mentioned in my previous post #385:

It is still possible, I'll still count it.
Is this

probability

or

possibility

?

I'm glad I took the time to re-read your ISO as I have completely forgotten what happened during D1. I believe I have a progressive list and no "sudden" changes... I will reinforce that Salad was put as Town in my first list, however, I did call him my most neutral read. It was not a

sudden change of mind

, but a progressive one, logically speaking. What's written down may not be 100% relevant to what's in my head.

teacher is by far the towniest of the two, but I don't want to rule him out completely. I've learned that even the most obvtown players can still turn out to be scum and according to teacher, he obvtowns it up as either alignment.

He was also the driving force behind the Dong lynch yesterday, which does concern me a bit.

However, Salad is easily the scummier looking of the two. For now...

VOTE: Salad

You joined that driving force and from my point of view, that because you found players that could be easier lynch targets. You could obvtown it up, right? Even if it was D1 and it's all that RVS and D1-lynching stuff, I believe Salad and teacher had more solid reasons to vote Dong in D1.

I am not ruling them out, I will take the time to re-read ISOs and add comments for everyone.

I haven't head Spartan's point of view on all this what's happening right now, I would really love if that could be a thing :)

[Chibiie]

I don't like playing the whole "well I'd do this as scum" card because that gets very WIFOM-y, but I will say one beneficial move for scum here in my eyes is to keep George alive and kill one of the more active players so that this already slow-paced game becomes even more slow paced,

which is what's starting to make me think that one of the more active players is potentially scum.

I would like to ask a question, now that I think about it.
Could you define "active player" to me?

If you talk posts-count, I'm not really an active player.
If you talk

involvement

, you have all the rights to accuse me of being potentially scum, but my card still flips green.

I have a dumb feeling that this might actually be a townie-townie clash and scums are excited about this, but calling that I had a

sudden change of mind

scummy, when you were also the one who said the following:

Sure I'll bite at the questions. Been working on schoolwork all day today so haven't been around much.

[...]
4. What do you think gives away a player as scum or town

Scum will tend to push an agenda more than town will since scum already knows everyone's alignment. They'll also appeal to the crowd by posting things that appear townie on the surface, but don't fit the game state or just aren't very helpful.

Town players will question and observe and

more than likely change their reads often

. Townies in general should also be less afraid of how they look and more focused on either hunting scum.

[...]

Are we both Townies then?

Reading your slot is hard, I admit that, but I am very happy with this platform's Mafia experience.

I didn't expect a forum long-play Mafia to be this much fun and also brain-straining.

[Chibiie]

I hope my posts are aesthetically pleasing to y'all. I am enjoying doing this a lot.

Im concerned that the level of your involvement, and level of skill, has changed so much across days. Why did you hold this back D1?

Are you questioning my game involvement and deduction skill or my posts aesthetics skill?
If you question my posts aesthetics skill, then I am a Graphics Designer. I love pixels. Image, text, renders, drawing, aesthetics in general.

If you question my level of involvement and all this sudden "OMG, Chibiie's a detective" or such, then that's because I play a lot of social deduction games and have also mentioned that I'm the

connect-the-dots type of player

in my D1 posts. I gradually become more and more involved because you can gather information out of every post.

Players are aware that here, if you post something, there's no

edit button

. Everyone is careful with that they say, but I'm sincerely not. I just think all this while writing. I do have multiple tabs open and research as I prepare these posts to be launched in-game. This is my nature. I blame it on my astral sign. (Earth sign - Virgo - OCD / Perfectionist / Careful with details / Very in-depth research / Good observer / Strong logic / Rational person)

That's about me :)

[AaronFrost]

@Mod - V/LA until Tuesday

[Plotinus]

Gimm1ck¹ has been prodded. They have (expired on 2019-10-15 02:57:24) to post before I start looking for a replacement.

[AaronFrost]

Alright come on now.

Just because I'm on V/LA doesn't mean everyone else can't post either.

[teacher]

It’s a holiday weekend in the states and I’ve been procrastinating the reread. I’ll post soon enough.

[Plotinus]

teacher¹ has been prodded. They have (expired on 2019-10-15 13:30:00) to post before I start looking for a replacement.

Prodging

- A naked "prod dodge" does not reset the prod timer. To avoid being prodded/replaced for inactivity, include some game advancing content in your prodges, such as "got prodded; xxxx is still scum."

[Chibiie]

Alright come on now.

Just because I'm on V/LA doesn't mean everyone else can't post either.

I think everyone's looking forward to the continuation of our clash.

I'm personally waiting on Spartan's update on his thoughts and list.

[Plotinus]

Spartan117² has been prodded and has (expired on 2019-10-15 15:09:22) to post before I start looking for a replacement.

[Saladman27]

@Chibiie, While Frost is V/LA, what do you think is his motive to SR you specifically?

[Spartan117]

So to start things off my alignment read on the pool as a whole goes like this.

Town
Aaron

Teacher

Salad/Chibiie

Yoda/Gimm1ck
Scum

Thats my range from towniest to scummiest, the main reason ive put salad higher than bottom is mainly because while he seems very scummy in his behaviour and play pattern, and I think if he was a pr he would be playing it way too obviously for scum to see, unless they are just leaving him as lynchbait as everyone seems to have him as their top or second top scum read atm. Again these are not scum partnerships (those come below) they are just around the same area for me atm.

Gimm1cks vote on salad while dong was on 4 votes with an L-1 could see this as a potential distancing move as salad was under very little threat as all the attention was on dong at that time, and he wouldnt be seen to being on the townies lynch wagon, and if salad is lynched d2 and he is scum, Gimm1ck can say he was on his wagon d1 to use as cover. So for this reason I could see a Gimm1ck/Salad scum team potentially.

so I’m chill w/ dong being hammered if they dont respond, but I would prefer saladman under more pressure

Further to back this up, Gimm1ck does a very scummy thing of d1 saying he would be chill with a dong lynched, and d2 after dong has been lynched and revealed to be vt claims he disagreed with dong being lynched, its all well and good to say that after the fact, but it has 0 weight in my eyes. Also another place holder feel of a vote on salad again with no real push.

disagree that Dong should have been lynched yesterday, which is why I am returning to VOTE: Saladman

Gimm1ck - Moving him up to town because I think if he were scum he'd be much more content with lynching Dong than he was. Instead he tried to push the lynch onto Salad.
C

This is what I could see Scum!Gimm1ck wanting.

I can also see a potential Yoda/Gimm1ck or Yoda/Chibiie scum team too.

My bottom 3 are Dong(maybe), Salad(more than likely), George(more than likely).

Two of Yodas main scum reads are revealed to be town, the other one is Salad who everyone seems to read as scum.

I still don't like Salad's activity. This may be the rust in my game talking but I really haven't seen any kind of scum hunting from Salad. Just a lot of parroting and wagoning.

While this may be true, I can also see this as deflection from yodas own lack of posting and scum hunting.

It might also be worth taking a look at who George (and to a lesser extent, Dong) were scumreading and how the other players interacted with those slots.

Solid point and one of the many reasons I get a strong townie vibe from Aaron.

Could also see a Chibiie/Gimm1ck team.

Regarding this, I'm not a really big fan of this post...
I'll take Gimm1ck's post and put it here as a reply to you, Salad. Will also add my thoughts at the end of the post.

I agree with Gimm1ck on this one for the sole reason that everyone was in a soft conflict with George.

Just like I did earlier, I'm 100% agreeing with Gimm1ck's post, however, I've added my stream of thoughts in there so we can elaborate on the same assumption and have the game progress further.

I feel like Chibiie says a lot without saying much to the point, drifting around hoping for an answer, actually finding this overwhelming especially with time contraints on posting and trying to understand everything, you say "you" a lot so its not always clear who you are talking to or about.

I hope my posts are aesthetically pleasing to y'all. I am enjoying doing this a lot.

I don't think Salad/Gimm1ck are ever a team.

Interesting Aaron, do you not think it could be possible that they could be distancing themselves so if one goes down the other looks somewhat safe.

[*]Spartan (could even put him as Town, but there are a few questions I need answers to, hopefully before we lynch someone)

What questions?

I haven't head Spartan's point of view on all this what's happening right now, I would really love if that could be a thing

Sure Ask me some direct questions and please be more consice with your posts walls provide lots of text but are harder to digest and get your point across.

With everything I've seen from Gimm1ck since he subbed in for merfin I'm happy with my vote being here.
VOTE: Gimm1ck
With just under 3 irl days left of this in game day its time for this game to pick up.

[Plotinus]

Yodavader¹ has been prodded and has (expired on 2019-10-16 02:14:42) to post before I start looking for a replacement.

[Yodavader]

-snip-

I can also see a potential Yoda/Gimm1ck or Yoda/Chibiie scum team too.

My bottom 3 are Dong(maybe), Salad(more than likely), George(more than likely).

Two of Yodas main scum reads are revealed to be town, the other one is Salad who everyone seems to read as scum.

I don't see how who I read as scum, with my thoughts, turning out to be town paints me as scummy.

I still don't like Salad's activity. This may be the rust in my game talking but I really haven't seen any kind of scum hunting from Salad. Just a lot of parroting and wagoning.

While this may be true, I can also see this as deflection from yodas own lack of posting and scum hunting.

-snip-

I still know that I tend to not post a lot. But I think I try to add some kind of content when I do post.

I don't think I have ever looked for scum buddies, per se. I tend to just look at who I think is towniest and scummiest. I don't really try to combine people together. That's why I had a hard time answering the question of who I thought was Salad's scum buddy. My answer had nothing to do with who distanced themselves away from Salad or tried to divert attention away. My answer was more of who I thought could be the other person. I guess I tend to play this game as winning the endgame. If one scum survives, they both win. Just like as long as town wins, we all win.

[Plotinus]

Gimm1ck hasn't responded to their prod and is being replaced. If they post before a replacement can be found, they can stay.

[teacher]

VOTE: gimm1ck

Double replacement is scummy.