Large Normal 223 | New Beginnings | GAME OVER

[Garmr]

Rick crumbs

VOTE: Rick Dalton

Love you <3

If this town let’s them continue with that nonsense it will result in a loss.

People say this, but the majority of games I do shenanigans I end up solving.

You can ask A50/Garmr about my trololol’ing all game as an IC.

You can ask Vorkuta/Alchemist/Una about my trollloling fake claim day 3 IC into Vig.

YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID YOU FREELOADING BENEDICT ARNOLD

I ain't trusting you as far as I can throw you.

Eevee/judge crumbs

I’m debating certain things internally with EeveeLution. Will get back to you in the morning.

You share a PT with Evee???? Interesting!

No PT with Eevee, but I see your smarm.

Potential

Hopkirk crumbs

“Rosterfoster is like the brother I always wanted back when I was growing up. I had these guys from the Russian Mafia after me for four years. They’d have been caught in four minutes if Roster had been around”

You will always have a special place in my heart <3

Can I interest you in a Tchill wagon?

Maybe. I’d have to read the game though. I just voted the next leading wagon. I skimmed the last 2-3 pages and thought i saw Elements claim watcher. Why do you want me to wagon tchill?

Asking where to vote.

Remember everyone, the big shoots titus tonight.

How do you know a vig exists? Personally I prefer Eevee. I feel like their reaction to getting voted “oh you hammered” was fake.

Hmmm I'm not sure if eevee is scum with Gobble after going through the iso personally could of been another crumb to judge.

[Garmr]

Could the scum team be like

Judge/Hopkirk/Rick/Eevee?/ Traitor gobble?

[Garmr]

Judging by the way Dave went ham on me yesterday I started to take it from another angle what happens if scum don't want to touch me yet because It would backfire on them? I mean town are more likely to do do the stupid shit and think crazy outlandish things. Daves scum read on me was really outlandish it could come from town because of his arrogance he ignores so many factors. Scum dave probably wouldn't want to risk being in a bad place in case I flip.

[Hopkirk]

On Rick
1st: seems meaningless.
2nd: feels too on the nose. Definitely a traitor crumb, not convinced it's a message to Rick specifically.

Hopkirk
1st one: Relevant context is that I gave those comments about everyone.
2nd one: That sounds like Gobble is asking why I scumread Tchill which I hadn't actually said at that point.
3rd: Not sure what you're pointing to there.

Gobble doesn't vote Eevee until the Eevee wagon breaks down a bit.

Given Gobble said to Profii that he wanted to check Eevee or me, I can see him having the plan to check and defend Eevee afterwards.
@Profii: how exactly did Gobble present his picks to check and did he argue much for an Eevee check? He'd have had to either tell you that Eevee had a gun (scum) or not afterwards based on his fakeclaim.
He needs to make it look like he's against Eevee day end to do that, but doesn't consider joining the Eevee counterwagon when it starts again, moving to Alonzo instead to 'consolidate'.

-Hop

[EeveeLution Army]

A bit too obvious dont ya think?

[Hopkirk]

Could the scum team be like

Judge/Hopkirk/Rick/Eevee?/ Traitor gobble?

You're saying if Judge flips town Titus doesn't? What?

What are your thoughts on the Eevee/Alonzo wagon yesterday with this scumteam in mind?

[Hopkirk]

A bit too obvious dont ya think?

@which post?

[Garmr]

On Rick
1st: seems meaningless.
2nd: feels too on the nose. Definitely a traitor crumb, not convinced it's a message to Rick specifically.

Hopkirk
1st one: Relevant context is that I gave those comments about everyone.
2nd one: That sounds like Gobble is asking why I scumread Tchill which I hadn't actually said at that point.
3rd: Not sure what you're pointing to there.

Gobble doesn't vote Eevee until the Eevee wagon breaks down a bit.

Given Gobble said to Profii that he wanted to check Eevee or me, I can see him having the plan to check and defend Eevee afterwards.
@Profii: how exactly did Gobble present his picks to check and did he argue much for an Eevee check? He'd have had to either tell you that Eevee had a gun (scum) or not afterwards based on his fakeclaim.
He needs to make it look like he's against Eevee day end to do that, but doesn't consider joining the Eevee counterwagon when it starts again, moving to Alonzo instead to 'consolidate'.

-Hop

The <3 heart thing where only to certain people.

[EeveeLution Army]

On Rick
1st: seems meaningless.
2nd: feels too on the nose. Definitely a traitor crumb, not convinced it's a message to Rick specifically.

Hopkirk
1st one: Relevant context is that I gave those comments about everyone.
2nd one: That sounds like Gobble is asking why I scumread Tchill which I hadn't actually said at that point.
3rd: Not sure what you're pointing to there.

Gobble doesn't vote Eevee until the Eevee wagon breaks down a bit.

Given Gobble said to Profii that he wanted to check Eevee or me, I can see him having the plan to check and defend Eevee afterwards.
@Profii: how exactly did Gobble present his picks to check and did he argue much for an Eevee check? He'd have had to either tell you that Eevee had a gun (scum) or not afterwards based on his fakeclaim.
He needs to make it look like he's against Eevee day end to do that, but doesn't consider joining the Eevee counterwagon when it starts again, moving to Alonzo instead to 'consolidate'.

-Hop

Are you saying he knew who all his partners were from the start?

[EeveeLution Army]

cause he flipped rolecop not cop

[EeveeLution Army]

A bit too obvious dont ya think?

@which post?

The 4 scum post

[Garmr]

On Rick
1st: seems meaningless.
2nd: feels too on the nose. Definitely a traitor crumb, not convinced it's a message to Rick specifically.

Hopkirk
1st one: Relevant context is that I gave those comments about everyone.
2nd one: That sounds like Gobble is asking why I scumread Tchill which I hadn't actually said at that point.
3rd: Not sure what you're pointing to there.

Gobble doesn't vote Eevee until the Eevee wagon breaks down a bit.

Given Gobble said to Profii that he wanted to check Eevee or me, I can see him having the plan to check and defend Eevee afterwards.
@Profii: how exactly did Gobble present his picks to check and did he argue much for an Eevee check? He'd have had to either tell you that Eevee had a gun (scum) or not afterwards based on his fakeclaim.
He needs to make it look like he's against Eevee day end to do that, but doesn't consider joining the Eevee counterwagon when it starts again, moving to Alonzo instead to 'consolidate'.

-Hop

Are you saying he knew who all his partners were from the start?

Mafiascum style traitors know their partners from the start but their partners need to find them.

[EeveeLution Army]

On Rick
1st: seems meaningless.
2nd: feels too on the nose. Definitely a traitor crumb, not convinced it's a message to Rick specifically.

Hopkirk
1st one: Relevant context is that I gave those comments about everyone.
2nd one: That sounds like Gobble is asking why I scumread Tchill which I hadn't actually said at that point.
3rd: Not sure what you're pointing to there.

Gobble doesn't vote Eevee until the Eevee wagon breaks down a bit.

Given Gobble said to Profii that he wanted to check Eevee or me, I can see him having the plan to check and defend Eevee afterwards.
@Profii: how exactly did Gobble present his picks to check and did he argue much for an Eevee check? He'd have had to either tell you that Eevee had a gun (scum) or not afterwards based on his fakeclaim.
He needs to make it look like he's against Eevee day end to do that, but doesn't consider joining the Eevee counterwagon when it starts again, moving to Alonzo instead to 'consolidate'.

-Hop

"Check" means nothing since he claimed gunsmith to him right? Or did he claim the investigation gunsmith not the give dayvig gunsmith

[EeveeLution Army]

On Rick
1st: seems meaningless.
2nd: feels too on the nose. Definitely a traitor crumb, not convinced it's a message to Rick specifically.

Hopkirk
1st one: Relevant context is that I gave those comments about everyone.
2nd one: That sounds like Gobble is asking why I scumread Tchill which I hadn't actually said at that point.
3rd: Not sure what you're pointing to there.

Gobble doesn't vote Eevee until the Eevee wagon breaks down a bit.

Given Gobble said to Profii that he wanted to check Eevee or me, I can see him having the plan to check and defend Eevee afterwards.
@Profii: how exactly did Gobble present his picks to check and did he argue much for an Eevee check? He'd have had to either tell you that Eevee had a gun (scum) or not afterwards based on his fakeclaim.
He needs to make it look like he's against Eevee day end to do that, but doesn't consider joining the Eevee counterwagon when it starts again, moving to Alonzo instead to 'consolidate'.

-Hop

Are you saying he knew who all his partners were from the start?

Mafiascum style traitors know their partners from the start but their partners need to find them.

Oh ive seen it either way

[Hopkirk]

There's no way a traitor is stupid enough to <3 only scumpartners unless they're doing it specifically for Wifom which is dumb in itself.

[Hopkirk]

The roleflip makes it very clear he knew his partners.

gobbledygook

has died during the night. He was:

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome, ____, to Large Normal 223. Your role is Mafia Traitor Rolecop Neighbor

You are a Mafia Traitor. The remainder of your scumteam is [REDACTED]. If you are the last remaining member of your scumteam, you will be endgamed by town.

Once, during the night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn that player's role.

You are part of a neighborhood [HERE], in which you may talk at any time while you are alive.

You win when either mafia control half the vote during a Day phase or when all townies are dead, or nothing can prevent one of these scenarios from happening.

[EeveeLution Army]

Idk. The kill makes no sense. Why gobbley over the confirmed mason. Or the doc claim

[EeveeLution Army]

The roleflip makes it very clear he knew his partners.

gobbledygook

has died during the night. He was:

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome, ____, to Large Normal 223. Your role is Mafia Traitor Rolecop Neighbor

You are a Mafia Traitor. The remainder of your scumteam is [REDACTED]. If you are the last remaining member of your scumteam, you will be endgamed by town.

Once, during the night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn that player's role.

You are part of a neighborhood [HERE], in which you may talk at any time while you are alive.

You win when either mafia control half the vote during a Day phase or when all townies are dead, or nothing can prevent one of these scenarios from happening.

Oh i just read the role. Mb

[Hopkirk]

Not killing the Mason = Garmr town imo.

[Garmr]

Could the scum team be like

Judge/Hopkirk/Rick/Eevee?/ Traitor gobble?

You're saying if Judge flips town Titus doesn't? What?

What are your thoughts on the Eevee/Alonzo wagon yesterday with this scumteam in mind?

well the scum positioning on alonzo makes sense but two on eevee makes me feel like the crumb wasn't meant for eevee but judge.

Their were no potential crumbs before that post with eevee so it's possible that He was trying to communicate with judge about his neighbourhood and not actually crumb. Which would mean profii is even more confirmed town.

VOTE: Judge Dread

[Hopkirk]

A bit too obvious dont ya think?

@which post?

The 4 scum post

What do you mean 'too obvious' then?

On Rick
1st: seems meaningless.
2nd: feels too on the nose. Definitely a traitor crumb, not convinced it's a message to Rick specifically.

Hopkirk
1st one: Relevant context is that I gave those comments about everyone.
2nd one: That sounds like Gobble is asking why I scumread Tchill which I hadn't actually said at that point.
3rd: Not sure what you're pointing to there.

Gobble doesn't vote Eevee until the Eevee wagon breaks down a bit.

Given Gobble said to Profii that he wanted to check Eevee or me, I can see him having the plan to check and defend Eevee afterwards.
@Profii: how exactly did Gobble present his picks to check and did he argue much for an Eevee check? He'd have had to either tell you that Eevee had a gun (scum) or not afterwards based on his fakeclaim.
He needs to make it look like he's against Eevee day end to do that, but doesn't consider joining the Eevee counterwagon when it starts again, moving to Alonzo instead to 'consolidate'.

-Hop

"Check" means nothing since he claimed gunsmith to him right? Or did he claim the investigation gunsmith not the give dayvig gunsmith

You might want to read what Profii said too. He claimed the investigative type to Profii so he'd have hard commit to his check being an innocent/guilty (or vig).

-Hop

[davesaz]

optimal claim order is
doc
tracker
me

Optimal claim order is nobody unless we actually need it to solve.

[Billy Pilgrim]

On Rick
1st: seems meaningless.
2nd: feels too on the nose. Definitely a traitor crumb, not convinced it's a message to Rick specifically.

Hopkirk
1st one: Relevant context is that I gave those comments about everyone.
2nd one: That sounds like Gobble is asking why I scumread Tchill which I hadn't actually said at that point.
3rd: Not sure what you're pointing to there.

Gobble doesn't vote Eevee until the Eevee wagon breaks down a bit.

Given Gobble said to Profii that he wanted to check Eevee or me, I can see him having the plan to check and defend Eevee afterwards.
@Profii: how exactly did Gobble present his picks to check and did he argue much for an Eevee check? He'd have had to either tell you that Eevee had a gun (scum) or not afterwards based on his fakeclaim.
He needs to make it look like he's against Eevee day end to do that, but doesn't consider joining the Eevee counterwagon when it starts again, moving to Alonzo instead to 'consolidate'.

-Hop

Are you saying he knew who all his partners were from the start?

Check the flip again. Theres a redacted portion where his partners were revealed to him.

@Garmr - there was an early vote on tchill D2 when there was pressure there and some additional shading. Theres a bit of protecting you, but it looks like it was happening in at a time where there wasn't much pressure on you (you didnt really have much D2, so like I said, less convinced of you, while more convinced of tchill.

Why does someone think that gobble accidentally outted one of his scumbuddies? Wouldnt the traitor be trying to steer people away from scum? If so, wasn't the kill to try and frame someone? And if so, wouldnt that mean the people that gobble was scumreading are more likely town?

[Hopkirk]

Could the scum team be like

Judge/Hopkirk/Rick/Eevee?/ Traitor gobble?

You're saying if Judge flips town Titus doesn't? What?

What are your thoughts on the Eevee/Alonzo wagon yesterday with this scumteam in mind?

well the scum positioning on alonzo makes sense but two on eevee makes me feel like the crumb wasn't meant for eevee but judge.

Their were no potential crumbs before that post with eevee so it's possible that He was trying to communicate with judge about his neighbourhood and not actually crumb. Which would mean profii is even more confirmed town.

VOTE: Judge Dread

VOTE: JJD

This is also fine. JJD has bad positioning around every wagon. There's interactions we had before I didn't like. He left Eevee and didn't come back yesterday too so more scum association point there.

Profii is so town he's almost as town as Hectic.

[Garmr]

I think the fact he was just trying to pass info about his neighbour to judge silently is more condemning than the actual potential crumbs to be honest.