Mini 2097 - Make Me Regret This Game Over

[Sujimichi]

strong townplayer hasn’t weighed in

I would like an explanation to this statement, because I have not seen evidence of this in this game, and the most recent contribution is lacking. Have you played together before as town; and, if so, could you link me to a game so that I could review.

[mastina]

Was that it?

get used to it. I'll honestly compromise on lynching mastina this phase if she really doesn't expand on that soon because I'm tired of dealing with this. She didn't even address my big post at all

What was there to address?

It was a post of self-evident paranoia. It's moonlogic based on hypotheses that violate occam's razor. I didn't address it because there was nothing in there to address. It was empty spitballing about a theory you had which has no evidence to back it.

[mastina]

And what do you think about the way elbirn has progressed on TL over the phase

I think Elibirn is scum; I think TL is scum; I think TL and Elbirn's progressions on each other is blatantly scumbuddies but even if it wasn't and somehow one of them was town the other would still be scum. But that said. They're just both scum.

[mastina]

When we're lynching the person I want to lynch, I have no reason to give more than what I have.

Didn't you "want to lynch" Elements? We lynched Elements by the way. You didn't really contribute to that.

Yes?

Read what I said again.

When we're lynching the person I want to lynch.
I have no reason to give more than what I have.
We lynched Elements. Someone I wanted to lynch. So why did I need to contribute to it? It was a lynch I wanted.

[eth0s]

A Town Inventor (Rolecop, Doctor, Roleblocker)

We can all tell that this is a scumclaim yes, right?
I don't need to explain why it is one, yes?

I think I know what you're saying but if so I'm guilty of doing the same thing as town.

That wouldn't be it then.

then it seems you should explain.

I'm not interested in commenting on why I'm voting jjh over TL until you acknowledge the giant fucking post I wrote specifically about that.

[mastina]

Lol I’m actually thinking that TL was the designated mislynch and it’s just (suji, elbirn) now
Chem/jjh/Eth0s/mastina hmu when you see this

If TL is town this game he's Korina levels of terrible.

I'll take that risk with the lynch thankyouverymuch.

Wasn't Korina town?

Thus my statement.
If TL were somehow town he'd be Korina levels of bad.

I don't think TL is Korina levels of bad.

[Sujimichi]

We lynched Elements. Someone I wanted to lynch. So why did I need to contribute to it? It was a lynch I wanted.

Because it's easy to say "I want something," but if you don't do something to try and get it, it's an empty statement and scummy.

[eth0s]

Was that it?

get used to it. I'll honestly compromise on lynching mastina this phase if she really doesn't expand on that soon because I'm tired of dealing with this. She didn't even address my big post at all

What was there to address?

It was a post of self-evident paranoia. It's moonlogic based on hypotheses that violate occam's razor. I didn't address it because there was nothing in there to address. It was empty spitballing about a theory you had which has no evidence to back it.

yeah so it's just a coincidence I guess?

nice buzzwords btw

[Sujimichi]

It is also undeniable that Elements was lynched when I wasn't around in this game (maybe even on site, would have to check my activity sitewide to confirm that one).

You're right. The lynch occurred one hour before you contributed again to the game after three days of absence. Solid timing.

Spoiler:

Failure to answer question on a directly untrue statement about the past. (Lots of people were scumreading Jjh)

Said statement was used in an attempt to prove self town.

Conclusion: Not-Town

VOTE: Elements

No self hammer for you fishy, muahahahah

Martina, are you town?

Yes, but the real question would be are you? Sure doesn't seem that way to me.

[mastina]

Site activity doesn't affect any of my other statements, nor preclude you from taking action if you had a real scum read on them. The fact remains they were a convenient scum read for you, and not one of the two you were pushing.

Look I am a reactive player.
I react to things.
When people are lynching someone I want lynched.
I don't push hard because people are doing what I want them to do.

I said it before and I'll say it again.
If someone who is a townread of mine is in danger of being lynched, sure, yeah. I will put more effort in to defend them. If nobody I'm scumreading has a wagon on them. Then sure, yeah, I will put more effort in to lynching them.

But the whole game.

Neither of those conditions has really come true.
Because the people I want to lynch are being lynched; the people who I don't want lynched aren't being lynched.
Not a hard concept to grasp.

If jjh were in danger of being lynched I'd step up but that hasn't happened and frankly it won't.

[Sujimichi]

Not taking a stance is scummy, so I don't get why, if this is your typical play, I don't understand why Menalque thinks you are a strong town player (which is a question I asked to him). It allows you to flow to freely with the game and say stuff like "I'm a reactive player."

You aren't contributing much of anything, despite your claims otherwise.

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: mastina

[mastina]

strong townplayer hasn’t weighed in

I would like an explanation to this statement, because I have not seen evidence of this in this game, and the most recent contribution is lacking. Have you played together before as town; and, if so, could you link me to a game so that I could review.

I should say that Menalque's perspective of me is somewhat biased by recent experiences that I can't give better commentary on right now, but he'll be vastly disappointed by my play here because he probably doesn't know the golden mastina standard of me having more than one towngame/more than one scumgame based on game atmosphere, real life situations, OTHER GAME'S atmospheres (if I am giving my all to one game, that means other games will be given nothing, but obviously can't really go into that in greater detail without risking it being seen as a violation of the ongoing games discussion rule even though nothing I'd say wouldn't be generic applicable to any situation), my mood, how players interact with me, and a shitload of other factors.

This game for instance--I've no reason, no incentive, to try because the people I want to lynch are being lynched; the people who I don't want to lynch are in no immediate danger.

[Sujimichi]

That question was decidedly not directed toward you.

[mastina]

A Town Inventor (Rolecop, Doctor, Roleblocker)

We can all tell that this is a scumclaim yes, right?
I don't need to explain why it is one, yes?

I think I know what you're saying but if so I'm guilty of doing the same thing as town.

That wouldn't be it then.

then it seems you should explain.

Because this is a scum role. Rolecop is a role which has more utility for scum; Doctor as a way to save players from damage (a mechanic that likely has town damagers) is a scum role; Roleblocker as a way to stop the town's PRs is a scum role; a scum inventor allows for the scum to use those powers in a way that would shut down the town's roles.

jjh's theory was that the Inventor was disloyal, which would prevent the above from being true but still make it a scum role. But it doesn't need to be, if the scum wanted to try and use the role to get towncred from it.

[mastina]

We lynched Elements. Someone I wanted to lynch. So why did I need to contribute to it? It was a lynch I wanted.

Because it's easy to say "I want something," but if you don't do something to try and get it, it's an empty statement and scummy.

Sometimes I forget that players like you are actually probably new.

[mastina]

Not taking a stance is scummy

Mate all I've done is take stances.

My stance has been literally all I've posted:
That {Elements, Elbirn, Espresso, TL} contains all three scum.

I've not given much in the way of reasons.

That's not the same as not giving stances.

You aren't contributing much of anything, despite your claims otherwise.

You say this and yet it's not true. I've contributed plenty. Just because it's light in reasons doesn't mean it's light in content.

[mastina]

That question was decidedly not directed toward you.

That doesn't mean I have no commentary to give, nor does it mean that your question will have any less value by reading it and also Menalque's response.

[Sujimichi]

You said things.

Melnaque is scum. eth0s is scum. Elbirn is scum. I am light in reasons as to why.

Look. I've said things. I've now contributed the same as you in that regard.

[Sujimichi]

That question was decidedly not directed toward you.

That doesn't mean I have no commentary to give, nor does it mean that your question will have any less value by reading it and also Menalque's response.

I didn't want your commentary. It's almost as if I wanted Menalque's commentary, and his alone. Which is why it was directed toward him.

[Sujimichi]

I'm done engaging, as it will no longer be productive. You either are lynched today or die tonight. I don't really care which.

[jjh927]

What's changed since this

Okay here's where I'm at with TL. I think I physically feel a blood vessel popping in my head just trying to parse his recent posts. So forgive me if this seems heavy handed but even if I regret it later I am sticking to it.

I am going to QUICKHAMMER TL if he gets to L-1 at any point in Day 2

yes you read that right. All day one -- before it was interrupted abruptly with the bad korina lynch -- I had been trying to figure out how I am going to approach TL.

I thought to myself "do I just push a policy lynch?"
"do I wait to see some kind of behavior that differs from our last game?" (the alien talk trolling BS is the only think I have noticed here so far but that feels really weak)
"do I just ignore him and let the rest of the town decide his fate?"

like I said, I never got an answer before the day closed.

Now it's Day 2.
It's too late to policy lynch him so here is where I'm at.
If I see the differing behavior on a level that actually strikes me as AI, I'm going to deathtunnel that shit jjh style.
I can't ignore him anymore, he is actually triggering me.

SO I am left with two options in my mind.

I either avoid voting him like the plague until mylo/lylo where my working theory is that people will actually be able to somewhat read him based on PoE, OR if it comes to it, at least for the current dayphase I QUICKHAMMER HIM IF HE HITS L-1

I mentally can't try to sort that slot for the time being. Like I really just can't so

TREAT HIS L-2 LIKE AN L-1 AND GET HIS CLAIM THERE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT OUT OF YOUR VOTE BECAUSE I SWEAR TO GOD I AM QUICKLYNCHING HIM IF YOU GIVE ME THE CHANCE

[Elbirn]

When we're lynching the person I want to lynch, I have no reason to give more than what I have.

Didn't you "want to lynch" Elements? We lynched Elements by the way. You didn't really contribute to that.

Yes?

Read what I said again.

When we're lynching the person I want to lynch.
I have no reason to give more than what I have.
We lynched Elements. Someone I wanted to lynch. So why did I need to contribute to it? It was a lynch I wanted.

You adamantly do not get to sit on the sidelines and try to claim credit when a scum-lynch goes through, nor do you get to act so self-righteous about it. Actualllllyyy fuck right off with all of that

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:

LET'S PLAY A GAME

consider TL/Mastina/JJH to all only require 4 votes to lynch, as I am quick hammering whichever one of them hits L-1 first. I will never vote anyone outside of those three today. Good luck have fun

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