Newbie 1959 | Stuff I Found Online Xv | Over

[teacher]

scum are twice as likely to replace out compared to town across :0 game

30 games, not :0

Here is where I did that math.

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 2.04

Female students, engaged in some illicit late-night cooking via Who invented fudge

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Lynching

With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to lynch.

Saladman27

(2): Gimm1ck, Yodavader

Gimm1ck

(2): Saladman27, Spartan117

Chibiie

(2): AaronFrost, teacher

Yodavader

(1): Chibiie

Not Voting

(0):

None.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-10-17 19:00:00).

Mod notes: AaronFrost is V/LA until Tuesday. All of the previous votecounts this dayphase have said 5 to lynch but this is not true. There are only 7 votes in play and majority is 4 votes.

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[teacher]

Just because it should be explicitly noted, cop, mason, and tracker are all counterclaims to Gimm1ck. Any one of those should speak up.

Not cc’inf.

[Spartan117]

Apologies for being inactive, very busy in real life.
Will post a later on today. This is also a good opportunity for me to hardclaim town tracker.
Visited Goeff (pardon spelling) last night. He was killed though.

Have some interesting teacher / spartman thoughts I’ll expand on later, but just wanted to claim here.

In that case UNVOTE: Gimm1ck

Not cc'ing

Feel like the best place for my vote atm is here
VOTE: Yodavader

[teacher]

Ugh, another deadline nearing and we haven’t even heard from salad if he could counterclaim.

I can compromise on salad if needed, especially with gimm1ck there. I’m also happy where I am. Anyone have thoughts?

[Chibiie]

I'm glad I took the time to re-read your ISO as I have completely forgotten what happened during D1. I believe I have a progressive list and no "sudden" changes... I will reinforce that Salad was put as Town in my first list, however, I did call him my most neutral read. It was not a

sudden change of mind

, but a progressive one, logically speaking. What's written down may not be 100% relevant to what's in my head.

If he's in your town list, then he can't be a neutral read. Also...

I'm pretty god damn sure I said "Salad is my most neutral read, therefore I give him Towncred"... It was D1... You're pushing this idea of me changing my mind when it is so easy to read my ISO and see for yourself that I've never called Salad a solid townread. You're really, really pushy on this and I haven't seen you quoting any of my posts in order to back-up your argument...

You're also completely ignoring this:

[...]
Regarding Salad, I' ve stated my reasoning for unvoting him pretty clear... His play shows relationship to me, I want Salad, teacher and Dong (these 3 seem to know each other) alive so they can talk and read eachother, they'll either end up in the same team or different, right? Having a group of players that already have a grasp of each other's playstyles is a strong weapon for us, who didn't played with them before, because we're new and they need time to adjust with our amounts of posts, the level of interest in conversation and strategies overall (I am more of a logical, connect-the-dots type of player, will use any little information, even the order of ideas in one's post, even yours, I take notice of player's order in your post), but they can read each other to a certain level based on previous games... I want to have that, as a new player here, I will honestly abuse this.

What's written down may not be 100% relevant to what's in my head.

?????

Explain what you mean by this?

My wording was bad, English is not my native language. I meant to say

accurate

, not

relevant

.
I am a human being, I might rush things due to real-life events. I do my best to post as often so I won't get replaced. I also do my best to read and understand everything before I post, but sometimes, my mind is a mess.

Let's clear my #296 out, Aaron -.-

Actually, I could call Salad as being the netural and passive one, but at the same time, I doubt his reasoning for that is being scum.
I stand by my #280 regarding Salad.

This was the continuation to my answer for Gimm1ck's #292. My answer was in #295:

Time to explain something about what I look for when I am scum hunting;
Scum generally want to avoid being lynched day one and individually do not want attention on themselves (which is why pressure and rvs swinging is very beneficial to give reads). Scum want to appear nonchalant for the majority of day one to avoid being lynched, giving reactions to town, or making any hint towards their partner(s).

A side affect from this is that scum tend to not make any extremely polarizing reads in fear of either being caught on lackluster logic and counterwagoned onto, or being OMGUSsed /FOSed due to their reads. That leads them to play somewhat passively and attempt to maintain a neutral posture on wagons.

For D1, I believe this applies for everyone. Nobody wants to get lynched D1, regardless of alignment, be it scum or town, however, I don't really agree on your statement "That leads them to play somewhat passively and attempt to maintain a neutral posture on wagons."... Scums know each other, they shouldn't be scared to push someone, their goal is to push town to mislynch and kill at night, but make it in a way that won't backfire on them...

In the same time, it depends on players and how they believe they can win and however they plan their moves.
Anyway, I just wanted to point that out because walking through the pages of the game, you can see that at some point everyone was pointing fingers at someone for a reason, nobody was passive. Your statement is real, but in this game... You could call me the passive one for refusing a D1-lynch, however, I do have someone I would like to lynch too due to my reads and I've already mentioned that in #204 and later explained more in-depth in #280, ultimately (and hopefully) completely cleared things out in #290.

I agree that scums could play passive, but in this game, nobody was passive.

Will you completely ignore these?
I still believe that your argument is not valid.

[AaronFrost]

Town:

[*]

----->

Salad

<-----

[*]AaronFrost
[*]Spartan (I'm leaving my vote on him, but it means nothing)
[*]Teacher

Neutral:

[*]Dongempire (I'm still studying him and his posts)
[*]Merfin (Haven't seen him joining and move the game in a direction yet)
[*]Yoda (Following along, taking part into arguments, however, not very big impacts on the game progression)

Scum:

[*]GeorgeBailey

[teacher]

I'm liking Yodas increase in activity,

Yet you’re voting yoda?

We need to get to intent to have time for a (another/a counter?) claim.

VOTE: salad

l-1

[teacher]

Again, that’s L-1.

[AaronFrost]

@Chiibie

Even if the wording was off, you just admitted to giving us an inaccurate depiction on what you're really thinking, which a townie has no reason to do.

[teacher]

(Will also go back to chibie, just need a lynch w deadline)

[AaronFrost]

I didn't ignore your reasoning for townreading Salad, but you're now scumreading him today for the same reasons you were giving him towncred yesterday.

[AaronFrost]

Shit I just realized we're at 36 hours until deadline.

I'm okay with a Salad lynch. I'm going to sleep now but I'll hammer in like 12ish hours if no one else beats me to it.

[Chibiie]

@Chiibie

Even if the wording was off, you just admitted to giving us an inaccurate depiction on what you're really thinking, which a townie has no reason to do.

Jesus, I understand this is a long-play forum Mafia, but you're really misunderstanding so many things...
I haven't seen you getting into as many details as I do, but whatever... You're obvtown and already pissing me off enough.

I'll hammer in 7 hours (October 16th, 14:00 UTC +3), right before leaving the office.

[Saladman27]

Intent to Self Hammer

I claim VT, if anyone wants to ask any final questions before my or chibiee’s hammer, feel free.

[Chibiie]

Intent to Self Hammer

I claim VT, if anyone wants to ask any final questions before my or chibiee’s hammer, feel free.

I'll wait until the time I've mentioned previously (14:00 UTC +3 / 5 hours left) before I hammer.

[Chibiie]

I'll hammer in 7 hours (October 16th, 14:00 UTC +3), right before leaving the office.

I've put the correct time, but I've calculated the wrong hours, 7 should've been 6*
Early shifts kill me :(

[teacher]

So we’ve outed one PR (all slots have posted and nobody has countered gimm1ck).

I’m inclined to credit salads claim (because why wouldn’t scum claim PR to counter gimm1ck and potentially survive)?

But I also see legitimate reason to scumread the slot, and am leery our outing another pr.

Anybody want to chat about this? I’m worried I’m not thinking straight in my sleep addled state.

[Saladman27]

I thought about claiming PR to save my neck but I think that would backfire.

[Spartan117]

Intent to Self Hammer

I claim VT, if anyone wants to ask any final questions before my or chibiee’s hammer, feel free.

Why would a Vt want to self hammer themselves?

[Spartan117]

I thought about claiming PR to save my neck but I think that would backfire.

Salad in your opinion who's scum?

[Saladman27]

Gimm1ck/Yoda, Teacher is a null for me.

[Spartan117]

even with Gimm1cks Tracker claim and no cc?

[Chibiie]

One hour before I hammer, if anyone has something to say, please do.

[Spartan117]

Can we not get a bit more time to hear from Salad, we do have 30 hours till the end of D2.