Large Normal 223 | New Beginnings | GAME OVER

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

But that if it's

something that can be expected in a normal

then he did it.

Thank you for reminding me. Arsonist isn't Normal. Fruit Vendor IS Normal.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Cliff responds to the dousing saying something smelled funny, then JJD claimed he had cabbage and beans, which could potentially be a visitor soft.

That ALONE should have told him I "received" nothing, don't you think?? yet he slept on it for a whole cycle (day and night)

[Hectic]

@hectic who was in that game- can you confirm Prometheus/samthony happened like I described there.

I can confirm this. Don't know how he'd feel about you calling him "Sam Thony" though.

[Billy Pilgrim]

JJd can you confirm that you are visitor and that you visited cliff n1


Cliff can you confirm whether you were visited or not

The visitor claim was like 3 fake claims ago. Now hes claiming disloyal fruit vendor.

Look if someone that isn't Cliff sent me fruit you should probably claim now, because it's the interaction between Cliff's claiming he sent me the fruit and JJD claiming not having received it that's making me think JJD is scum here.

[Garmr]

@billy

Can I ask why you voted me over JJD. Because I think I was pretty much on point catching Goob trying to tell JJD about his pt.

It shouldn't surprise you honestly, and I'm a bit confused by your reaction. I scumread you the last game you were town when I was town. Theres something about your confidence level that throws me off. Now, maybe you did pick that up. It's also possible that that's not what you think it is.

Hey @Profii was that comment from Gobble around the time that you told JJD you had a pt?

Pedit: Feel better Hectic. Sorry to hear about the chokeslam though a steel chair. Hopefully you can recover and give your problem a stunner.

I thought I said it last game but I act confident to slam the point in. If you have confidence in your points then people will question them.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

A disloyal fruit vendor (before he outted his role) definitely isn't useless considering he could have pressured someone to find out if they got it

Show me how. Because, if you were a Goon and you did get Fruit, would you

really

go out an say "Hey, who sen me fruit?" in the open? You know there are Loyal/Disloyal modifiers to be expected, and if it ain't your teammate you would KNOW something fishy is going on.

THAT is why my role was quite useless. It had to be "lied about" to turn it into anything useful, and it had to be lied about in a certain way too. Claiming Disloyal - nobody will ever claim having received fruit from me for starters. Claiming Simple means everyone who doesn't get fruit can claim TPR (they would only be lying about the T).

So, let's switch roles and you can show me how you would have used the Disloyal Simple FV effectivey. With Love.

[profii]

JJD - without saying who just yet, did you send any fruit n2 ?

I did. OF COURSE I did.

You could have been x shot but ok

[profii]

Unlike Profii who thinks it's narcissistic

because he always assumes the worse in people and can't self reflect

. It's just another way to view the game and aim for victory.

au contraire mon ami

Your issue lies on your belief that I should have claimed Mason on day 1 to inform the town that the roleblocker(or whatever it was) claim was unlikely

So look at this game- I took your point and revealed I'm the backup tracker after tchill claimed tracker which killed a wagon. It remains to be seen if this stopped a lynch or a mislynch but I assume tchill is town for now so in this example it's all good and we assume something positive has come out of the whole situation

So I can easily point to an example of where I reflected and changed my behaviour based on your feedback despite how stupid I think you look by continuing to try and get say digs in

So why dont you go ahead and get the last word in...

Nah not claim just hammer like you said you would. He was l-1 and both mason were off him...... Don't know where you got the idea I wanted you to claim masons.

I think you look by continuing to try and get say digs in

Kinda like your narcissistic comment. Like I was even talking to you and dropped it

. But you need self awareness to figure that out.

If you are going to go cough cough profii then expect a response. Dont make out like I start any of this as it's simply untrue

[Garmr]

@billy

Can I ask why you voted me over JJD. Because I think I was pretty much on point catching Goob trying to tell JJD about his pt.

It shouldn't surprise you honestly, and I'm a bit confused by your reaction. I scumread you the last game you were town when I was town. Theres something about your confidence level that throws me off. Now, maybe you did pick that up. It's also possible that that's not what you think it is.

Hey @Profii was that comment from Gobble around the time that you told JJD you had a pt?

Pedit: Feel better Hectic. Sorry to hear about the chokeslam though a steel chair. Hopefully you can recover and give your problem a stunner.

I thought I said it last game but I act confident to slam the point in. If you have no confidence in your points then people will question them.

Fixed

Like saying he could be scummy because of reason A I don't know. Is not as effective as saying "I find this scummy (reason a)"

You are going to find quite a few people on this site that portray themselves as confident in their reads.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

JJD - without saying who just yet, did you send any fruit n2 ?

I did. OF COURSE I did.

You could have been x shot but ok

I am "gated" but not X-shot. I am gated in the sense that I can only give fruit to GOONS. And with a role like mine in play you just gotta expect there is but only ONE Goon to be caught. Otherwise, my role would be a bit too strong (yet again it may not be because as soon as I claim a guilty on someone the other hypothetical Goons would not claim having received any).

Take a step back and look at the game fro above.. why are there FVs? Note that a Loyal FV is way too strong an investigative, which is what Cliff claims to be. That would be a FlavourED Cop (Not "flavour" but FlavourED. It's an alignment Cop, with a different name)

[Garmr]

Unlike Profii who thinks it's narcissistic

because he always assumes the worse in people and can't self reflect

. It's just another way to view the game and aim for victory.

au contraire mon ami

Your issue lies on your belief that I should have claimed Mason on day 1 to inform the town that the roleblocker(or whatever it was) claim was unlikely

So look at this game- I took your point and revealed I'm the backup tracker after tchill claimed tracker which killed a wagon. It remains to be seen if this stopped a lynch or a mislynch but I assume tchill is town for now so in this example it's all good and we assume something positive has come out of the whole situation

So I can easily point to an example of where I reflected and changed my behaviour based on your feedback despite how stupid I think you look by continuing to try and get say digs in

So why dont you go ahead and get the last word in...

Nah not claim just hammer like you said you would. He was l-1 and both mason were off him...... Don't know where you got the idea I wanted you to claim masons.

I think you look by continuing to try and get say digs in

Kinda like your narcissistic comment. Like I was even talking to you and dropped it

. But you need self awareness to figure that out.

If you are going to go cough cough profii then expect a response. Dont make out like I start any of this as it's simply untrue

As untrue as you claiming I wanted you to claim masons day 1? While you don't always start it I will admit. You did this time and refused to acknowledge it. You have a habit of altering what happened in the past to please yourself.

[Billy Pilgrim]

I got around to reading Cliff v JJD right before going to bed last night.
Billy did the research I would have wanted to do, thanks!

I think JJD is scum here. Cliff bussing isn't completely out of the question, but I think it's unlikely. A scum flip definitely doesn't conf Cliff -- that term gets way too overused IMO.

I did that shit on my phone. I had to keeping between the windows. I need a damn computer to play this.

[Garmr]

But talking about narcissism, trying to rationalise their actions to avoid blame profii is another symptom of it. Are you sure you aren't projecting?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

On a serious note, from what I have gathered, I think I essentially have negative town utility

I need to know why cliff said this when it's obvious a loyal fruit is really useful

Again... Loyal Fruit Vendor is an Alignment Cop. Can somebody explain why Cliff said it was a NEGATIVE utility?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

On a serious note, from what I have gathered, I think I essentially have negative town utility

I need to know why cliff said this when it's obvious a loyal fruit is really useful

Again... Loyal Fruit Vendor is an Alignment Cop. Can somebody explain why Cliff said it was a NEGATIVE utility?

[profii]

Unlike Profii who thinks it's narcissistic

because he always assumes the worse in people and can't self reflect

. It's just another way to view the game and aim for victory.

au contraire mon ami

Your issue lies on your belief that I should have claimed Mason on day 1 to inform the town that the roleblocker(or whatever it was) claim was unlikely

So look at this game- I took your point and revealed I'm the backup tracker after tchill claimed tracker which killed a wagon. It remains to be seen if this stopped a lynch or a mislynch but I assume tchill is town for now so in this example it's all good and we assume something positive has come out of the whole situation

So I can easily point to an example of where I reflected and changed my behaviour based on your feedback despite how stupid I think you look by continuing to try and get say digs in

So why dont you go ahead and get the last word in...

Nah not claim just hammer like you said you would. He was l-1 and both mason were off him...... Don't know where you got the idea I wanted you to claim masons.

I think you look by continuing to try and get say digs in

Kinda like your narcissistic comment. Like I was even talking to you and dropped it

. But you need self awareness to figure that out.

If you are going to go cough cough profii then expect a response. Dont make out like I start any of this as it's simply untrue

As untrue as you claiming I wanted you to claim masons day 1? While you don't always start it I will admit. You did this time and refused to acknowledge it. You have a habit of altering what happened in the past to please yourself.

I am not bothered enough to check to be perfectly honest I really dont care. I got the impression you wanted me to say i was a mason. I did not get the impression that you wanted me to just hammer

I have no idea of your exact wording and as I said... who cares

[profii]

But talking about narcissism, trying to rationalise their actions to avoid blame profii is another symptom of it. Are you sure you aren't projecting?

I absolutely love myself brother

[profii]

I do think we need to reduce the JJd wagon until we have thought this through properly

[profii]

@billy

Can I ask why you voted me over JJD. Because I think I was pretty much on point catching Goob trying to tell JJD about his pt.

It shouldn't surprise you honestly, and I'm a bit confused by your reaction. I scumread you the last game you were town when I was town. Theres something about your confidence level that throws me off. Now, maybe you did pick that up. It's also possible that that's not what you think it is.

Hey @Profii was that comment from Gobble around the time that you told JJD you had a pt?

Pedit: Feel better Hectic. Sorry to hear about the chokeslam though a steel chair. Hopefully you can recover and give your problem a stunner.

Which comment?

[bob3141]

JJd can you confirm that you are visitor and that you visited cliff n1


Cliff can you confirm whether you were visited or not

The visitor claim was like 3 fake claims ago. Now hes claiming disloyal fruit vendor.

Look if someone that isn't Cliff sent me fruit you should probably claim now, because it's the interaction between Cliff's claiming he sent me the fruit and JJD claiming not having received it that's making me think JJD is scum here.

Cliff could very easily still be scum even if jjd is scum.

Just means that his role entails beign fruit vendor. So he could be loyal town fruit vendor or a scum fruit vendor.

And that this all just a ploy by jjd and cliff to try and get cliff confirmed.

[bob3141]

And that this could all just a ploy by jjd and cliff to try and get cliff confirmed.


corrected

[bob3141]

And that this could all just be a ploy by jjd and cliff to try and get cliff confirmed as town.


lol found i missed a few more words

[Garmr]

I do think we need to reduce the JJd wagon until we have thought this through properly

I'm of the opposite opinion we should hammer him and not repeat a kreag.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I was wondering if JJD was going to claim that he gave Billy the fruit on N2 and did so because Billy claimed VT, ergo, establishing the existance of a fruit and giving some credence to the simple claim.
However, as Billy rightly points out, JJD totally missed the crumb and it was a homing beacon of a crumb, so that is ruled out.

Why would I be giving fruit to someone who already claimed VT and VOLUNTEERED TO BE CHECKED???????

I am a DIS-FUCKING-LOYAL SIMPLE. DISLOYAL. Billy would NOT have received fruit from me. I neither target people I am not quite sure of in hopes I would catch someone with a dead brain who does claim they received fruit from me, or I still target suspects but trick them into saying they did receive the fruit when they actually didn't, and that's what happened with Cliff.

[bob3141]

if jjd is town then cliff cant be loyal fruit vendor. As jjd claims no fruit and billy claims fruit.

if JJD is scum then we know we have lynched scujm.


if cliff is town he will have another chance to vend fruit. Creating a second confirmed townie. Even if one dies that leave carc confirmed mason living longer.

If cliff is scum he is either caught out in lie. Either with jjd flip or if he claims to have found another scum.