Open 768: C9++ [GAME OVER]

[Bingle]

Well at least we now know jingle/tw are prob not aligned

That was fucking obvious when I refused to let him lazyplay this game. On like page 2.

[Volpe14]

sigh

I'll really need to compromise...?

[teacher]

But it matters here because you were playing along with and adopted the wording of someone who is/was on the opposite side of the divide. It makes me more suspicious of you if that is not a way you have used the term before. You may not be interested in semantics, but since you made me have to out, you’ll understand if I stick with my own methods rather than yours.

[DrDolittle]

there was a case soemwhere 10 pages ago on bingle that seemed like the case maker knew what they were talking about

[DrDolittle]

Anyways, on the subject of why I'm not a fan of Bingle's posting beginning around 2410:

This is his readlist starting at post 2221:

Spoiler:

DrDolittle

Nibbui

skitter30
Wickedestjr
Almost50

NorwegianboyEE
Menalque

Emperor flippyNips

northsidegal

the worst
skitter30

teacher
Egix96

This is roughly where I'm at, btw. Yes, I'm aware skitter shows up twice. Orders within groupings are pretty loose, tbh.

Take particular note of the bottom of the list, starting at the worst down.

Then, starting at 2410, we have questioning and the pursual of perceived contradictions from the worst, consistent with his previously stated reads:

Spoiler:

Why do you trust the communal PoE then?

Aren't you worried that other people have reads you disagree with? If you aren't, why aren't you adopting those reads?

Alright, what is the communal PoE in your opinion?

So the communal PoE is ~50% of the playerlist, you're in it, and you have suspects outside of it and it's pretty good in your opinion?

:thorface:

I have suspects outside it?

Your suspect pool includes Egix/NSG/Emps. The group consensus contains 2.5 of those according to you. I don't see how being concerned about you being unconcerned about that is fishing.

However, 2426 is where things become notable to me:

Is wooper high priority? I've never seen him be especially good at scum. Also, I think his likeliest partner is skitter, so...

This kind of downplaying of the worst's ability as scum seems strange to me. Granted, off of the top of my head I can't say that I have hard evidence to indicate that bingle is directly contradicting any of his previously stated views regarding the worst's ability, but my general impression was that most people on the site would consider him in the upper echelon of scum players. I believe it stands to reason, then, that what he's doing here serves some sort of larger purpose, and this is where I begin to see your point that they may have partner equity. It's perhaps an obvious (generic, even) conclusion to come to that by designating the worst as a "lower priority" scum target, he may excusably be kept alive until later days while other targets are lynched.

And, indeed, strangely enough just a few posts later in his ISO we see not only a divergence from the worst, but also from his previously stated second highest scumread:

Spoiler:

It did.

I guess my issue with the posts from teacher isn't so much the inaccuracy of what he's saying as the excessive pedantry. Technically, his grammatical parsing of what was said is correct, but it's also meaningless as it sidesteps addressing the message.

This is like the first thing that you've said that i've agreed with all game i think

Roughly this, but pretty much everyone and their mother was saying teacher was scummy beforehand and I've never gotten an answer as to why.

To be clear, if my understanding of this post is correct, Bingle is quoting his previously stated reason for teacher being scum while simultaneously calling into question other people's reasons. That's obviously a biased way of phrasing it but I don't think it's entirely inaccurate.

So we're at a point where Bingle is somewhat indirectly downplaying the scumminess of some of his top scumreads. Immediately after this, he says that he "could be convinced" on A50 scum and then, without much convincing (by my reading), he joins the wagon alongside his previous second highest scumread while also expressing reservations about lynching the worst.

Spoiler:

Teacher can I interest you in a monkey lynch today?

I could maybe be convinced. What's your issue with him?

VOTE: A50

@bingle currently making dinner but I’ll get an argument up for him later

No offense taken. In fact that’s what I called out - like I don’t know all that many people on the list but skit should certainly not see that as scum indicative, yet voted? That was weirder than anything else after the dark ran and you experience in 1951.

VOTE: a50

Fuckit. This feels towndriven, and I have major reservations about lynching the water-duck.

VOTE: A50

Still want that case, btw, Mena.

its this one. I think its credible because its long and has quotes

[DrDolittle]

plus i dont think im playing particularly townie at all and bingle puts me as top town read and it makes me feel like im getting stuffed in a pocket. but whopper is doing that too

[Volpe14]

I'm ok with sheeping NSG D1 but I want cakes later if Egix is scum.

VOTE: bingle

p-edit: you were being pretty townie in my opinion some pages ago drdo, right now not really but your past content is good enough for now.

[Bingle]

DDL is my strongest tr, tbh. Don't ever lynch that.

[Wooper]

sorry for kinda forcing a dichotomy i don't really like; as soon as i realised people wanted to lynch in us and we were both vt i started regretting my strategy this game /:

[Volpe14]

I was re:reading this recent convo just to make sure I'm voting with my heart here but I hadn't seen this:

i eagerly await the next post you make subtly calling into question my critical thinking skills

I didn't mean it like that...

[Wickedestjr]

I'm completely caught up.

Fwiw, I agree that we definitely shouldn't be lynching teacher today. If my count is correct, then Wooper and Bingle are both at four votes with a few other 1vote bandwagons. I think anyone not voting for either of them should choose one, especially considering the claims.

My preference is still for a Wooper lynch.

I like the point Volpe makes here. skitter, why do you think Bingle tries to 1v1 you if he's scum?

[Wickedestjr]

Bingle, can you answer this?

Is wooper high priority? I've never seen him be especially good at scum.

Can't recall if you explained this in depth. What aspect of his play here struck you as being beyond his scum-capability?

[Wooper]

I like the point Volpe makes here. skitter, why do you think Bingle tries to 1v1 you if he's scum?

because skitter is never being lynched
it's a dumb false dichotomy and he knows it
this isn't remotely alignment indicative and if anyone town is eating this up as AI they have no respect for bungle's scumgame.

[Wooper]

he's like, already called a 1v1 with skitter earlier in the day and been totally ignored
i'm the cw and he's the only person who was falling for my gambit
why the fuck would bungle as either alignment actually think he could force the gamestate into a skitter/bungle 1v1?? it's bravado

[skitter30]

I like the point Volpe makes here. skitter, why do you think Bingle tries to 1v1 you if he's scum?

Idk
Not really sure what he gets out of it as either alignment, i'm p sure he can read the gamestate well enough to know it isnt going to go that far
It reads like bravado

[Wooper]

i tried

[Wooper]

2nd one is rly cute i'm saving that
"wooper dabbing smell proof" is the google search of the year

[Wooper]

wrong pokemon but this is very cute

[Wickedestjr]

I like the point Volpe makes here. skitter, why do you think Bingle tries to 1v1 you if he's scum?

Idk
Not really sure what he gets out of it as either alignment, i'm p sure he can read the gamestate well enough to know it isnt going to go that far
It reads like bravado

I agree that it's weird regardless of his alignment. Personally, I can't recall ever seeing scum exhibit 'bravado' in a game, though. Have you seen that? (Wooper you can answer this too)

[Wickedestjr]

I like the point Volpe makes here. skitter, why do you think Bingle tries to 1v1 you if he's scum?

because skitter is never being lynched
it's a dumb false dichotomy and he knows it
this isn't remotely alignment indicative and if anyone town is eating this up as AI they have no respect for bungle's scumgame.

Feels like cognitive dissonance

wrong pokemon but this is very cute

Lol random

[skitter30]

I feel like scum do the bravado-y thing all the time

[Wooper]

I agree that it's weird regardless of his alignment. Personally, I can't recall ever seeing scum exhibit 'bravado' in a game, though. Have you seen that? (Wooper you can answer this too)

it's like the entire premise of my early scumgame and probably a large contributing factor to why people i know well misread me a lot today.

can you give me a tl;dr of why bungle is town for you aorn?

[Wooper]

I feel like scum do the bravado-y thing all the time

yes
especially if they can do ridiculous baller stuff which makes them look like they believe what they're pushing without actually exposing themselves

bungle => skitter is like a classic example of this

not saying i'm really sure how to read it for bungle but i think there's like a v clear case to be made for why it's within a standard skilled scum player's skillset

[Bingle]

Bingle, can you answer this?

Is wooper high priority? I've never seen him be especially good at scum.

Can't recall if you explained this in depth. What aspect of his play here struck you as being beyond his scum-capability?

None?

I've never townread wooper. I've wanted to give him a night phase. I've wanted him to be town. I've never thought he couldn't be scum.

[Bingle]

I feel like scum do the bravado-y thing all the time

Sure. But so do town. I never expected to live through today before wooper claimed, but I did expect you to have to burn every lest shred of towncred you had in getting me lynched. Hell, there's still a very good chance I die here. And I'm happy with that, because my death will make you lynchable later on.