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Official Vote Count 1.03

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Zenith

(3): Jamelia, GeorgeBailey, tictac

Suspicious

(1): Zenith

january

(1): Vorkuta

GeorgeBailey

(1): FancyPants

FancyPants

(1): Suspicious

Not Voting

(2): january, ceejayvinoya

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[FancyPants]

@jam
u didn't ask for an explanation tho?
I'd also expect ya to be angry/annoyed that an L-1 happened yet I'm not really seeing that.

Get out of my head Charles etc.

@Jammy, you didn't really answer my question, I want you to talk to me about the scum-zenith mindset.
Let's imagine Zenith is scum, talk to me about why scum Zenith is making that vote.

@January, don't make promises you can't keep, because I pay attention.

@Suspicious, reading between the lines Bailey seems like a suspect of yours, why don't you join me on the wagon?

[Jamelia]

@jam
u didn't ask for an explanation tho?
I'd also expect ya to be angry/annoyed that an L-1 happened yet I'm not really seeing that.

Get out of my head Charles etc.

@Jammy, you didn't really answer my question, I want you to talk to me about the scum-zenith mindset.
Let's imagine Zenith is scum, talk to me about why scum Zenith is making that vote.

@January, don't make promises you can't keep, because I pay attention.

@Suspicious, reading between the lines Bailey seems like a suspect of yours, why don't you join me on the wagon?

To rush an RVS vote and hope someone doesn’t realize it’s L-1, and they just quick lynched a town

[Suspicious]

I'm still questioning and getting opinions. Like I said, these days being this long leave plenty of room to use votes to gain info. Right now, I'd like more out of Xen/Bailey/jan/Cee before moving forward.

[january]

Hey hey you're too fast
to answer your question: i fos suspicious at the moment will explain in a sec

[FancyPants]

@jam
u didn't ask for an explanation tho?
I'd also expect ya to be angry/annoyed that an L-1 happened yet I'm not really seeing that.

Get out of my head Charles etc.

@Jammy, you didn't really answer my question, I want you to talk to me about the scum-zenith mindset.
Let's imagine Zenith is scum, talk to me about why scum Zenith is making that vote.

@January, don't make promises you can't keep, because I pay attention.

@Suspicious, reading between the lines Bailey seems like a suspect of yours, why don't you join me on the wagon?

To rush an RVS vote and hope someone doesn’t realize it’s L-1, and they just quick lynched a town

Yeah aight. Ties into the tictacs question.
Let me reiterate.
@Zenith, have you played games on Mafia Scum before?
If not what is your experience?

@Jammy, have you had a disastrous town whoopsie on mafia scum before (don't answer if it involves current games).

[FancyPants]

@jam
u didn't ask for an explanation tho?
I'd also expect ya to be angry/annoyed that an L-1 happened yet I'm not really seeing that.

Get out of my head Charles etc.

@Jammy, you didn't really answer my question, I want you to talk to me about the scum-zenith mindset.
Let's imagine Zenith is scum, talk to me about why scum Zenith is making that vote.

@January, don't make promises you can't keep, because I pay attention.

@Suspicious, reading between the lines Bailey seems like a suspect of yours, why don't you join me on the wagon?

To rush an RVS vote and hope someone doesn’t realize it’s L-1, and they just quick lynched a town

Yeah aight. Ties into the tictacs question.
Let me reiterate.
@Zenith, have you played games on Mafia Scum before?
If not what is your experience?

@Jammy, have you had a disastrous town whoopsie on mafia scum before (don't answer if it involves current games).

[FancyPants]

I'm still questioning and getting opinions. Like I said, these days being this long leave plenty of room to use votes to gain info. Right now, I'd like more out of Xen/Bailey/jan/Cee before moving forward.

You said voting gets info. You want more info from Bailey. So vote Bailey?

[january]

I was a bit uncomfy with how fast the votes went onto Suspicious, but I feel like his response to the votes seemed very kneejerk-y with the thing about there being a mafia who voted him. It doesn't seem like a real "read" that comes from actually looking for mafia.

[god i'm so incoherent right now sorry]

Basically to me there's nothing really that makes Bailey's first vote scummy, so this part:

Bailey basing the RVS off of my name is also an easy route to go for maf to cloak themselves

seems like he's just trying to justify something. Basically: Bailey voted that way as a random vote, so saying that Bailey is somehow responsible for the wagon doesn't seem like it's a genuine attempt to find maf. seems like he's just trying to fos everyone who voted

i think this makes sense please tell me if it doesn't

[Jamelia]

@jam
u didn't ask for an explanation tho?
I'd also expect ya to be angry/annoyed that an L-1 happened yet I'm not really seeing that.

Get out of my head Charles etc.

@Jammy, you didn't really answer my question, I want you to talk to me about the scum-zenith mindset.
Let's imagine Zenith is scum, talk to me about why scum Zenith is making that vote.

@January, don't make promises you can't keep, because I pay attention.

@Suspicious, reading between the lines Bailey seems like a suspect of yours, why don't you join me on the wagon?

To rush an RVS vote and hope someone doesn’t realize it’s L-1, and they just quick lynched a town

Yeah aight. Ties into the tictacs question.
Let me reiterate.
@Zenith, have you played games on Mafia Scum before?
If not what is your experience?

@Jammy, have you had a disastrous town whoopsie on mafia scum before (don't answer if it involves current games).

Define disastrous

[Suspicious]

I was a bit uncomfy with how fast the votes went onto Suspicious, but I feel like his response to the votes seemed very kneejerk-y with the thing about there being a mafia who voted him. It doesn't seem like a real "read" that comes from actually looking for mafia.

[god i'm so incoherent right now sorry]

Basically to me there's nothing really that makes Bailey's first vote scummy, so this part:

Bailey basing the RVS off of my name is also an easy route to go for maf to cloak themselves

seems like he's just trying to justify something. Basically: Bailey voted that way as a random vote, so saying that Bailey is somehow responsible for the wagon doesn't seem like it's a genuine attempt to find maf. seems like he's just trying to fos everyone who voted

i think this makes sense please tell me if it doesn't

It doesn't make sense considering that is only a portion of my reasoning against Bailey, and a minute one at that. I've gone to justify putting a FoS on them based upon the wagon, true, but also due to the unvote and subsequent reaction they had to it when questioned. Considering you just entered I'll give benefit of the doubt you potentially skipped this; otherwise this is a poor stab at prepping a push.

[FancyPants]

@Jammy, OK just tell me your experience please.
@January, please don't do this.

[Suspicious]

I'm still questioning and getting opinions. Like I said, these days being this long leave plenty of room to use votes to gain info. Right now, I'd like more out of Xen/Bailey/jan/Cee before moving forward.

You said voting gets info. You want more info from Bailey. So vote Bailey?

I'm waiting for them to offer answers. I don't mind having my vote sit for a time.

[FancyPants]

Edit: FOS is for cowards.

[FancyPants]

I'm still questioning and getting opinions. Like I said, these days being this long leave plenty of room to use votes to gain info. Right now, I'd like more out of Xen/Bailey/jan/Cee before moving forward.

You said voting gets info. You want more info from Bailey. So vote Bailey?

I'm waiting for them to offer answers. I don't mind having my vote sit for a time.

Fair enough.

Gun to my head you and tictac are town.
Scum are in: [Jammy/Vork/Ceejay] - > take note for end game.

[january]

guess i'm a coward
what exactly don't you want me to do?

@Suspicious, went back and saw that but my reasoning still stands. Might just be you using a different approach than me but I don't see how anything Bailey has done seems particularly scummy - the unvote seemed like a very natural time and what I would expect them to do as town, so I'd like to see how that seems scummy to you. What would you have expected them to do as town?

[FancyPants]

guess i'm a coward
what exactly don't you want me to do?

@Suspicious, went back and saw that but my reasoning still stands. Might just be you using a different approach than me but I don't see how anything Bailey has done seems particularly scummy - the unvote seemed like a very natural time and what I would expect them to do as town, so I'd like to see how that seems scummy to you. What would you have expected them to do as town?

Don't be insecure about your opinions because it doesn't help us at all.
If you're wrong be wrong, it's annoying when people won't commit to a position.

[Suspicious]

@Jan I would have expected what Fancy did: unvoted, said why, and moved on with further questioning to examine players/the wagon. Bailey's post in comparison comes across as much more of a grandstanding moment to grab town credibility. Their reasoning for the unvote in the first place after being pressured was odd and I'm still waiting on clarification there.

[FancyPants]

That said, uncertainty is town, it's just not helpful.

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: CJ
The more pages that pass without him making a first post, the townie he is.
This was too early.

Hey I'm trying to give effort here and play better.

I don't want to be well known

that

way

[FancyPants]

@jam
u didn't ask for an explanation tho?
I'd also expect ya to be angry/annoyed that an L-1 happened yet I'm not really seeing that.

Get out of my head Charles etc.

@Jammy, you didn't really answer my question, I want you to talk to me about the scum-zenith mindset.
Let's imagine Zenith is scum, talk to me about why scum Zenith is making that vote.

@January, don't make promises you can't keep, because I pay attention.

@Suspicious, reading between the lines Bailey seems like a suspect of yours, why don't you join me on the wagon?

To rush an RVS vote and hope someone doesn’t realize it’s L-1, and they just quick lynched a town

How do you know suspicious is town?
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jamelia
I already know you're scum. Confess to make it easier for your partner.

[FancyPants]

VOTE: CJ
The more pages that pass without him making a first post, the townie he is.
This was too early.

Hey I'm trying to give effort here and play better.

I don't want to be well known

that

way

I asked a question early, please answer when you're caught up.

[january]

@Fancy it’s just how I play, will get more confident later but i don’t see a point of having hard reads at this point of the game already (maybe it’s different for forum mafia games, i’m used to live games)

[Vorkuta]

VOTE: CJ
The more pages that pass without him making a first post, the townie he is.
This was too early.

Hey I'm trying to give effort here and play better.

I don't want to be well known

that

way

I asked a question early, please answer when you're caught up.

No offense to Cee, but low-effort seems to be his modus operandi. I don't know if it's AI by itself or not.

I mean.... the answer is pretty much self explanatory.
It's 50% tongue-in-cheek "hi CJ, you should pop in", 20% "the more CJ lurks, the townier he is" meta, and 30% shitpost

Either way he's going to be a fun slot

[Jamelia]

@jam
u didn't ask for an explanation tho?
I'd also expect ya to be angry/annoyed that an L-1 happened yet I'm not really seeing that.

Get out of my head Charles etc.

@Jammy, you didn't really answer my question, I want you to talk to me about the scum-zenith mindset.
Let's imagine Zenith is scum, talk to me about why scum Zenith is making that vote.

@January, don't make promises you can't keep, because I pay attention.

@Suspicious, reading between the lines Bailey seems like a suspect of yours, why don't you join me on the wagon?

To rush an RVS vote and hope someone doesn’t realize it’s L-1, and they just quick lynched a town

How do you know suspicious is town?
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jamelia
I already know you're scum. Confess to make it easier for your partner.

First of all, you’re absolutely ridiculous and way too aggressive.

Second, I don’t know if they’re town. I didn’t say that or imply that.

You have more experience than me. Tell me a time when a rushed RVS led to a scum lynch