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[Vorkuta]

First of all, you’re absolutely ridiculous and way too aggressive.

+1
Tone it down ffs- I get that your MO is "power town" and "SPANISH INQUISITION", but your dominating attitude is not helping you score town points with me.

[january]

@Jan I would have expected what Fancy did: unvoted, said why, and moved on with further questioning to examine players/the wagon. Bailey's post in comparison comes across as much more of a grandstanding moment to grab town credibility. Their reasoning for the unvote in the first place after being pressured was odd and I'm still waiting on clarification there.

understood, but I still FoS you mostly for calling Bailey out in #23 for an obviously random vote.

also, what exactly is wrong about trying to grab credibility? couldn't town try to be credible too?
-still seems like a perfectly normal action from Bailey, but maybe i'm missing something?

anyways, I have a habit of tunneling onto one person so i'll step back and read the other peeps

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 1.04

Jacarandas

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Zenith

(3): Jamelia, GeorgeBailey, tictac

Suspicious

(1): Zenith

january

(1): Vorkuta

FancyPants

(1): Suspicious

Jamelia

(1): FancyPants

Not Voting

(2): january, ceejayvinoya

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-10-26 08:30:00).

Mod notes:

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[FancyPants]

@jam
u didn't ask for an explanation tho?
I'd also expect ya to be angry/annoyed that an L-1 happened yet I'm not really seeing that.

Get out of my head Charles etc.

@Jammy, you didn't really answer my question, I want you to talk to me about the scum-zenith mindset.
Let's imagine Zenith is scum, talk to me about why scum Zenith is making that vote.

@January, don't make promises you can't keep, because I pay attention.

@Suspicious, reading between the lines Bailey seems like a suspect of yours, why don't you join me on the wagon?

To rush an RVS vote and hope someone doesn’t realize it’s L-1, and they just quick lynched a town

How do you know suspicious is town?
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jamelia
I already know you're scum. Confess to make it easier for your partner.

First of all, you’re absolutely ridiculous and way too aggressive.

Second, I don’t know if they’re town. I didn’t say that or imply that.

You have more experience than me. Tell me a time when a rushed RVS led to a scum lynch

The bolded sentence strongly implies that the suspicious wagon is a town wagon. Why am I wrong?

[FancyPants]

First of all, you’re absolutely ridiculous and way too aggressive.

+1
Tone it down ffs- I get that your MO is "power town" and "SPANISH INQUISITION", but your dominating attitude is not helping you score town points with me.

So vote me.

[Jamelia]

@jam
u didn't ask for an explanation tho?
I'd also expect ya to be angry/annoyed that an L-1 happened yet I'm not really seeing that.

Get out of my head Charles etc.

@Jammy, you didn't really answer my question, I want you to talk to me about the scum-zenith mindset.
Let's imagine Zenith is scum, talk to me about why scum Zenith is making that vote.

@January, don't make promises you can't keep, because I pay attention.

@Suspicious, reading between the lines Bailey seems like a suspect of yours, why don't you join me on the wagon?

To rush an RVS vote and hope someone doesn’t realize it’s L-1, and they just quick lynched a town

How do you know suspicious is town?
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jamelia
I already know you're scum. Confess to make it easier for your partner.

First of all, you’re absolutely ridiculous and way too aggressive.

Second, I don’t know if they’re town. I didn’t say that or imply that.

You have more experience than me. Tell me a time when a rushed RVS led to a scum lynch

The bolded sentence strongly implies that the suspicious wagon is a town wagon. Why am I wrong?

YOU ASKED ME in your question why scum!Zenith would want to rush an RVS. I told you why, from scum!Zenith’s perspective.

You forgot your own question.

[Suspicious]

@Jan I would have expected what Fancy did: unvoted, said why, and moved on with further questioning to examine players/the wagon. Bailey's post in comparison comes across as much more of a grandstanding moment to grab town credibility. Their reasoning for the unvote in the first place after being pressured was odd and I'm still waiting on clarification there.

understood, but I still FoS you mostly for calling Bailey out in #23 for an obviously random vote.

also, what exactly is wrong about trying to grab credibility? couldn't town try to be credible too?
-still seems like a perfectly normal action from Bailey, but maybe i'm missing something?

anyways, I have a habit of tunneling onto one person so i'll step back and read the other peeps

There's a difference between gaining trust and going explicitly out of the way to make a show of building trust.

Yes, I admit it's not much to go on, but that's what I'm working with now. I want more content out of Bailey and Xen, and until then I don't feel like moving on.

[Suspicious]

First of all, you’re absolutely ridiculous and way too aggressive.

+1
Tone it down ffs- I get that your MO is "power town" and "SPANISH INQUISITION", but your dominating attitude is not helping you score town points with me.

So vote me.

Okay, let's no descend into vote-baiting. This is a one-way ticket to a mislynch on either side of the equation.

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: CJ
The more pages that pass without him making a first post, the townie he is.
This was too early.

Hey I'm trying to give effort here and play better.

I don't want to be well known

that

way

I asked a question early, please answer when you're caught up.

Yeah yeah I saw it, I don't feel like answering it yet tho. It forces a half baked read out of me.

Try again later.

[ceejayvinoya]

I'm still questioning and getting opinions. Like I said, these days being this long leave plenty of room to use votes to gain info. Right now, I'd like more out of Xen/Bailey/jan/Cee before moving forward.

You said voting gets info. You want more info from Bailey. So vote Bailey?

I'm waiting for them to offer answers. I don't mind having my vote sit for a time.

Fair enough.

Gun to my head you and tictac are town.
Scum are in: [Jammy/Vork/Ceejay] - > take note for end game.

Out of curiosity, do you townread zenith? Or are you just implying that there is just one scum in there?

[FancyPants]

Scum Zenith might also have wanted to be on scum-suspicious's wagon to make himself look good?

Why can't they both be scum?

Why can't neither be scum?

I didn't forget my question I'm just trying to dig into your thought process.

[FancyPants]

I'm still questioning and getting opinions. Like I said, these days being this long leave plenty of room to use votes to gain info. Right now, I'd like more out of Xen/Bailey/jan/Cee before moving forward.

You said voting gets info. You want more info from Bailey. So vote Bailey?

I'm waiting for them to offer answers. I don't mind having my vote sit for a time.

Fair enough.

Gun to my head you and tictac are town.
Scum are in: [Jammy/Vork/Ceejay] - > take note for end game.

Out of curiosity, do you townread zenith? Or are you just implying that there is just one scum in there?

Let's wait for Zenith to talk a bit before I answer this.

[Jamelia]

Scum Zenith might also have wanted to be on scum-suspicious's wagon to make himself look good?

Why can't they both be scum?

Why can't neither be scum?

I didn't forget my question I'm just trying to dig into your thought process.

It could be any of those options.

I’ve explained my thought process.

[Vorkuta]

Okay, let's no descend into vote-baiting. This is a one-way ticket to a mislynch on either side of the equation.

vote..

But no- early on I like my votes either on proper wagons or on players who respond to votes as pressure.
Considering how increasingly nervous january is getting, I think I like it there to see where it would lead.

[FancyPants]

First of all, you’re absolutely ridiculous and way too aggressive.

+1
Tone it down ffs- I get that your MO is "power town" and "SPANISH INQUISITION", but your dominating attitude is not helping you score town points with me.

So vote me.

Okay, let's no descend into vote-baiting. This is a one-way ticket to a mislynch on either side of the equation.

Nah I'm far from a mis-lynch. If you think I'm scum vote for me.

[january]

weird take maybe but I feel like Zenith's silent vote on Suspicious at the beginning of the game is a town move because mafia would be more worried about justifying their vote somehow

but also I can't really see them silent voting as town either so I guess it's just something that doesn't make sense in general

[january]

@Vorkuta what makes you think I'm nervous?

nice bait now you're making me sound nervous by asking >:-(

[FancyPants]

Scum Zenith might also have wanted to be on scum-suspicious's wagon to make himself look good?

Why can't they both be scum?

Why can't neither be scum?

I didn't forget my question I'm just trying to dig into your thought process.

It could be any of those options.

I’ve explained my thought process.

OK so this is your position (correct me if I'm wrong) you think the most likely scenario here is that Zenith voted in hopes of a quick lynch?

[Jamelia]

Scum Zenith might also have wanted to be on scum-suspicious's wagon to make himself look good?

Why can't they both be scum?

Why can't neither be scum?

I didn't forget my question I'm just trying to dig into your thought process.

It could be any of those options.

I’ve explained my thought process.

OK so this is your position (correct me if I'm wrong) you think the most likely scenario here is that Zenith voted in hopes of a quick lynch?

My position is that I voted for Zenith because I wanted to hear why they put Suspicious on L-1. To me, without any context, that decision was scummy.

I’m not answering more questions from you about this.

[FancyPants]

Scum Zenith might also have wanted to be on scum-suspicious's wagon to make himself look good?

Why can't they both be scum?

Why can't neither be scum?

I didn't forget my question I'm just trying to dig into your thought process.

It could be any of those options.

I’ve explained my thought process.

OK so this is your position (correct me if I'm wrong) you think the most likely scenario here is that Zenith voted in hopes of a quick lynch?

town points
My position is that I voted for Zenith because I wanted to hear why they put Suspicious on L-1. To me, without any context, that decision was scummy.

I’m not answering more questions from you about this.

OK maybe Jammy isn't scum, it's probably the other two.

[Jamelia]

Scum Zenith might also have wanted to be on scum-suspicious's wagon to make himself look good?

Why can't they both be scum?

Why can't neither be scum?

I didn't forget my question I'm just trying to dig into your thought process.

It could be any of those options.

I’ve explained my thought process.

OK so this is your position (correct me if I'm wrong) you think the most likely scenario here is that Zenith voted in hopes of a quick lynch?

town points
My position is that I voted for Zenith because I wanted to hear why they put Suspicious on L-1. To me, without any context, that decision was scummy.

I’m not answering more questions from you about this.

OK maybe Jammy isn't scum, it's probably the other two.

Why did you change my original quote? I never said “town points”.

[FancyPants]

Botched quote, I meant to say town points in my words.

[GeorgeBailey]

Aight, fast moving thread imo. I really like this.

@Balley I'd like yer answer to this as well.

Minimal experience, I have a lot of experience with ToS/ToL though. Completely different from this forum format. My first game was interesting, and it seems like every game plays out a new story. I love this lmao.

What's wrong with an early L-1?
If scum were on the wagon, would they be more likely to stay there? Or would they be more likely to unvote for potential town points?

FOS

@ Fancy and GeorgeBailey.

I feel like in a format like this, it would be super easy for someone to accidentally hammer. I believe keeping someone at L-2 would have been sufficient pressure, L-1 can cause people to

really

panic

The reasoning behind not immediately unvoting was based on gauging the reactions of others I suppose? And then making the judgement call to back off when they did not. If I'm misinterpreting then let me know.

Er kinda. It was more to say "woah wtf,

who let this get to L-1

". I still think Zenith is a bit suspicious for letting it get to that. But reading his other posts, I think it was still more of a mistake.

UNVOTE: Zenith

@Suspicious, reading between the lines Bailey seems like a suspect of yours, why don't you join me on the wagon?

Err.. what? I would love a more concrete answer on why voted me.


All in all, I do agree with

Jamelia

. Don't get me wrong, I love how active you are @

FancyPants

(I really gotta step it up) but you're being super aggressive. (95) And I dont think a lot of good is coming from it. (Except the pressure on

January

. I liked that)

Vork

seems townlean, Suspicious is townlean from 78. Overall engagement is nice.

Jam

is neutral though. Not enough from

CJ

and

Zenith

to make a read tbh,

January

sounds townlean atm because of 101.

Tictac

is the only one who seems scumlean to me. Because of 45, which is a bit of a stretch. But your vote is still on

Zenith

, and I wanna know why.

Is it still because he didn't answer your question?

[GeorgeBailey]

Damn, just realized Zenith never actually followed up on his reason for a naked vote.

@Zenith

could you at least clarify please?

Putting someone at L-1 so early is pretty damn scary.

[Suspicious]

VOTE: CJ
The more pages that pass without him making a first post, the townie he is.
This was too early.

Hey I'm trying to give effort here and play better.

I don't want to be well known

that

way

I asked a question early, please answer when you're caught up.

Yeah yeah I saw it, I don't feel like answering it yet tho. It forces a half baked read out of me.

Try again later.

Can you try now? Inactivity only hurts if you're town here and you turn into a lynch of convenience. If you have thoughts, bring them out now.