Newbie 1961 | Trees II | Over

[GeorgeBailey]

Scum are in: [Jammy/Vork/Ceejay] - > take note for end game.

Out of curiosity, why Vork/CJ? I can

kinda

see the case for Jammy, but it feels like the other two don't have a lot of defining posts.

[Zenith]

Voting for suspicious wasn't a mistake, it was RVS. I intended to put him at L2 but Vorkuta beat me to it by a few seconds. I'm fine with putting someone at L1, though it's probably best done with a disclaimer to notify everyone that they are at L1 and to post intent to hammer before proceeding. Because of the quick unvotes, this wasn't necessary.

I'm fine with leaving my vote where it is for now. Suspicious comes off as fake, which pings my scrumdar.

I want to keep talking with Fancy at the. And I have to say I doubt the initial vote as genuine RVS.

With a name like suspicious, I'd suspect he would be the RVS target in at least half of his games. His words seem to often conflict as well. For example:

It's absolutely likely the wagon was organic due to time conveniences, but the behavior about it doesn't make me lean that way. Consolidation like that makes me think somebody tried to hide because that vote happening to be in vogue at the moment.

I want to keep talking with Fancy at the. And I have to say I doubt the initial vote as genuine RVS.

Absolutely likely the wagon was organic due to time conveniences, but also not?

woah woah woah, I believe that takes him to

L-1.

Scary place to be.

I'm gonna unvote to prevent a hammer.

UNVOTE: Suspicious

I believe he's at

L-2

now

What's wrong with an early L-1?
If scum were on the wagon, would they be more likely to stay there? Or would they be more likely to unvote for potential town points?

FOS

@ Fancy and GeorgeBailey.

In the heat of an early game, if no one is paying close attention, a careless vote/vote for fun can suddenly turn into a majority vote and an immediate mislynch. Not very likely, but not something that should be a threat on the first page of a game. Scum can either sit here or back off; are you implying the vote was scum stacked here?

I voted because that's literally the only way to make progress @D1.

Jokes aside, Sus's reaction to said wagon and the follow up interrogation gets him townpoints from me.
But like... come on guys, show a tiny bit of common sense with these questions

What specifically about his reaction makes you give him town points?

If suspicious is scum, I could see him as an easy early bus for easy distance. But the wagon moved pretty fast, so perhaps his partner got scared and backed off?

Bussing this early makes no sense; a flip wouldn't give any credibility or implicate anyone. There's no benefit for that play, and realistically a lynch on page 1 is highly unlikely; I don't think a strategy would hinge on that.

Goes from explaining why concerned over a possible quicklynch to dismissing it as highly unlikely in the same post. Things like this concern me. His play so far feels icky, and doesn't come across as town trying to hunt for scum at all. It feels fake.

[Suspicious]

You make the claim #41 marks the wagon as a bad option but then turning around to excuse it; yet I state in both quoted portions that an actual lynch was unlikely. The overall point was that, especially in a newbie game, there was an unnecessary risk of a careless vote suddenly causing a majority. You either missed that in my posting or intentionally passed over it, and I favor the latter.

I'm not sure about your confusion in the first portion re: #25 and 27. I concede the wagon could be organic, but I maintain that it likely wasn't. I don't backtrack here, and you're once again engaging in cherry-picking.

[Suspicious]

I would also like you to answer the question I posed there, which you have ignored. What are your reads?

[Zenith]

In the first quote you say that the quicklynch is "not very likely" while also expressing concern over the possibility. In the second quote the language changes to "highly unlikely" with reasoning for why it wouldn't happen.

[Zenith]

You also jumped on that pretty fast. First with denial, then with deflection/misdirection. Given that I'm the only one voting for you, what are you so worried about?

[Suspicious]

I haven't been worried, and trying to make that claim I suppose is trying to make me worried. I simply clarified my words, which you were openly misinterpreting. You're using a lot of strong language to describe my play when really the only one making a fuss right now is you.

You also have once again ignored my questions.

[GeorgeBailey]

126 is finally what I wanted to hear.

@Suspicious Looking at how post 9 and 10 are literally a minute apart, it seemed like it was pretty much the same move I made. Still weary of " I'm fine with putting someone at L1" though.

Although I do agree with Suspicious on the question, I would like to hear your reads on the current game. (I'm guessing Suspicious is scumlean for you?)

Also, that earlier FOS seems a little unfair.

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 1.05

Beech

---

Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Zenith

(2): Jamelia, tictac

Suspicious

(1): Zenith

january

(1): Vorkuta

FancyPants

(1): Suspicious

Jamelia

(1): FancyPants

Not Voting

(3): january, ceejayvinoya, GeorgeBailey

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-10-26 08:30:00).

Mod notes:

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[FancyPants]

Vork

seems townlean, Suspicious is townlean from 78. Overall engagement is nice.

Jam

is neutral though. Not enough from

CJ

and

Zenith

to make a read tbh,

January

sounds townlean atm because of 101.

Tictac

is the only one who seems scumlean to me. Because of 45, which is a bit of a stretch. But your vote is still on

Zenith

, and I wanna know why.

Is it still because he didn't answer your question?

Why the townlean on Vork?

Scum are in: [Jammy/Vork/Ceejay] - > take note for end game.

Out of curiosity, why Vork/CJ? I can

kinda

see the case for Jammy, but it feels like the other two don't have a lot of defining posts.

Process of elimination. That post from me was an ego post though.

@CJ, biggest scumread now?

[tictac]

@Zenith

: I still want to hear an answer to my question

Do you have experience with mafia?

This really does not strike me a difficult question to answer honestly, or even dishonestly.
It's annoying as fuck that ya keep dodging it. What is your motivation for doing so? Are you not reading the thread so didn't see it? Are you waiting to find out what answer I'd prefer before you do?

However, I'm getting tired of the holding pattern so..

Beautiful start.

Anyways, the reason I didn't do an immediate unvote, is because

I don't think the others realized

we were putting

Suspicious

at L-1/L-2.

I would think that is more reason to immediately unvote, not less. If ya are town.
This sounds more like justifying the actions of scum!you as not silly, than explaining town thought process.

Also,

Fancy's

post and mine are 1 minute apart. Gimme slack here.

I agree post 52 here. focus on function vs focus on appearance. your focus was on appearance.
I'll add that ya didn't react to fancys unvote at all even when it made your post wholly unnecessary, which makes me think ya really wanted those townpoints.

Zenith's

naked vote against

Suspicious

seemed strange, and I wanna chalk it up to RVS, but the post was barren of any flavour/reasoning/anything.

VOTE: Zenith

I wanna hear from you bud.

Spoiler: Zenith posts for context

woah woah woah, I believe that takes him to

L-1.

Scary place to be.

I'm gonna unvote to prevent a hammer.

UNVOTE: Suspicious

I believe he's at

L-2

now

What's wrong with an early L-1?
If scum were on the wagon, would they be more likely to stay there? Or would they be more likely to unvote for potential town points?

FOS

@ Fancy and GeorgeBailey.

I voted because that's literally the only way to make progress @D1.

Jokes aside, Sus's reaction to said wagon and the follow up interrogation gets him townpoints from me.
But like... come on guys, show a tiny bit of common sense with these questions

What specifically about his reaction makes you give him town points?

If suspicious is scum, I could see him as an easy early bus for easy distance. But the wagon moved pretty fast, so perhaps his partner got scared and backed off?

I feel like in a format like this, it would be super easy for someone to accidentally hammer. I believe keeping someone at L-2 would have been sufficient pressure, L-1 can cause people to

really

panic

(snip)
Er kinda. It was more to say "woah wtf,

who let this get to L-1

". I still think Zenith is a bit suspicious for letting it get to that. But

reading his other post

s, I think it was still

more of a mistake

.

Nothing in Zeniths posts even hinted at L-1 possibly being a mistake.
You jumping to that conclusion looks like ya assumed benign intent because of informed POW or unreasoned defence because he is your buddy.

However

in his next post zen changes his stance and didn't intend to put sus at L-1 but at L-2 (which ya said would be reasonable),like ya gave him an out he didn't think of himself. I think this is a mild point against you guys having daytalk.

All in all, I do agree with

Jamelia

. Don't get me wrong, I love how active you are @

FancyPants

(I really gotta step it up) but you're being super aggressive. (95) And I dont think a lot of good is coming from it.

I disagree strongly here. I certainly feel a lot better about Jam after having seen how he responded to that kind of pressure. Still, this

is

a newbie so let's keep that in mind.

Tictac

is the only one who seems scumlean to me. Because of 45, which is a bit of a stretch. But your vote is still on

Zenith

, and I wanna know why.

Is it still because he didn't answer your question?

Ya. At the time of yer post Zen had not posted at all after my vote. At the time I voted him I thought ya were scummier, but thought a vote might get him to answer the fucking question. His response to yer post puts him in about equal footing w you scumwise, so I think I'l keep voting him.

Damn, just realized Zenith never actually followed up on his reason for a naked vote.

@Zenith

could you at least clarify please?

Putting someone at L-1 so early is pretty damn scary.

Voting for suspicious wasn't a mistake, it was RVS. I intended to put him at L2 but Vorkuta beat me to it by a few seconds. I'm fine with putting someone at L1, though it's probably best done with a disclaimer to notify everyone that they are at L1 and to post intent to hammer before proceeding. Because of the quick unvotes, this wasn't necessary.

(snip sus stuffs)
Goes from explaining why concerned over a possible quicklynch to dismissing it as highly unlikely in the same post. Things like this concern me. His play so far feels icky, and doesn't come across as town trying to hunt for scum at all. It feels fake.

@CJ Do ya have a stance on suspicious here? I only glanced at the game ya guys played, but I got the impression that sus was pretty obvtowny as scum?
Him not looking obviously so might be town indic here?

126 is finally what I wanted to hear.

@Suspicious Looking at how post 9 and 10 are literally a minute apart, it seemed like it was pretty much the same move I made. Still weary of " I'm fine with putting someone at L1" though.

did ya mix up the postnumbers here. I dunno what ya talking about if ya didn't.

[tictac]

@Jam What's yer stance on january?

[Suspicious]

126 is finally what I wanted to hear.

@Suspicious Looking at how post 9 and 10 are literally a minute apart, it seemed like it was pretty much the same move I made. Still weary of " I'm fine with putting someone at L1" though.

Although I do agree with Suspicious on the question, I would like to hear your reads on the current game. (I'm guessing Suspicious is scumlean for you?)

Also, that earlier FOS seems a little unfair.

Zen did answer the question about the lynch vote beforehand in #34. Was this insubstantial to you?

[Suspicious]

@Zen you opened in #34 as well with scumleans on Fancy and Bailey, yet you have not returned to this thought since; they seem to just appear without any reasoning. Can you expand here?

[Jamelia]

weird take maybe but I feel like Zenith's silent vote on Suspicious at the beginning of the game is a town move because mafia would be more worried about justifying their vote somehow

but also I can't really see them silent voting as town either so I guess it's just something that doesn't make sense in general

For someone that’s new, I’m not sure how they’d know if this is a weird take or not.

This is my only take I have on January right now. @tictac

[Zenith]

According to Plotinus on page 1: "Mafia are able to communicate in their Private Topic at all times"

[january]

@Jamelia i find it hard to believe that’s the only thing you noticed if you read everything i’ve said

but no, i’m not new to mafia just to forum mafia

feels like a big deflect of tictacs question but u might want to read again

[january]

@tictac thanks for pointing out the thing in #30 from Bailey, I must have missed it

@GeorgeBailey I was pretty sure from everything else you said that you had unvoted because it was too close to lynch. I’m curious what you expected from leaving it at L-1 if you believed nobody noticed

Also, you must have seen Fancy’s post before yours since it seems like you get notified before submitting if there’s any new messages. Why not change your message or your approach after Fancy had unvoted?
-Knowing that Fancy unvoted, why not at least edit the explanation a little bit, because it’s not like we were at L-1 anymore when you posted

[january]

I just realized that I was combining Zenith and Vorkuta into one spot in my brain and I thought they were the same person (same number of letters and starts with letter near the end of the alphabet lol)

Vorkuta, what’s the point of putting a vote on me and telling me you’re looking for a reaction? Wouldn’t that just ruin the reaction test? And I asked this before but it’s probably buried: which of my lines made you mark me as nervous?

Vorkuta’s lines feel really jumpy, like he’s just reacting to random posts but not really contributing anything. Not sure if that’s just a normal playstyle for them or a sign of nervous mafia. Is there a way to review previous games that someone has played to compare and is that allowed?

[tictac]

According to Plotinus on page 1: "Mafia are able to communicate in their Private Topic at all times"

point?

[tictac]

@Jamelia i find it hard to believe that’s the only thing you noticed if you read everything i’ve said

but no, i’m not new to mafia just to forum mafia

feels like a big deflect of tictacs question but u might want to read again

@Jam ^this
lean town/lean scum and why is more what I'm looking for.

[tictac]

Vorkuta’s lines feel really jumpy, like he’s just reacting to random posts but not really contributing anything. Not sure if that’s just a normal playstyle for them or a sign of nervous mafia. Is there a way to review previous games that someone has played to compare and is that allowed?

click on the name on top of the avatar, then at 'view their topics' to see all the threads someone has posted in.
remember the 'no talking about ongoing games' rule, but completed games are allowed.

[Jamelia]

@Jamelia i find it hard to believe that’s the only thing you noticed if you read everything i’ve said

but no, i’m not new to mafia just to forum mafia

feels like a big deflect of tictacs question but u might want to read again

@Jam ^this
lean town/lean scum and why is more what I'm looking for.

I read it. I don’t have a lean. That’s my answer

[Jamelia]

I’m sorry for being blunt. I just think these questions are bizarre. I know you want to dig for information but I think this is extra

[january]

asking other people for reads is how you get game content, so how exactly is the question bizarre?

is there something that I've done that you like or dislike?