Mini 2097 - Make Me Regret This Game Over

[Sujimichi]

I don't intend offense with that, but look at your posting and voting record on the previous three to four days. You are a distraction.

[TemporalLich]

TL if you're town I want you to know that this is not the way to play mafia

i mean it is kinda an omgus

It's not omgus as I said you were town.

I was referring to my vote...

pedit: no comet

[jjh927]

Also I think this was pretty accurate

Jjh do you think scum!mastina white knights you here for towncred?

I think Mastina defends me in all situations regardless of both of our alignments

I think the reverse might actually be true as well, in that I might TR Mastina in all situations regardless of both of our alignments, which makes this particularly tricky for me.

[jjh927]

Menalque has been saying that mastina is a strong town player. I don't believe that posting comes from someone who is a strong town player. So, either mastina is not a strong town player, or mastina is not town. Mechanics play no role in my determining her alignment despite that I may have reason to believe so given her flavor claim.

She's disengaged and I genuinely believe that.

[jjh927]

If she were to show up in the middle of this discussion and be all caught up, I think we'd probably be able to call the game

[Sujimichi]

Menalque has been saying that mastina is a strong town player. I don't believe that posting comes from someone who is a strong town player. So, either mastina is not a strong town player, or mastina is not town. Mechanics play no role in my determining her alignment despite that I may have reason to believe so given her flavor claim.

She's disengaged and I genuinely believe that.

I guess I don't understand why someone who is truly disengaged continues to play the game. It's not mandatory.

[mastina]

What sense would it make for scum to have both a bloodhound and an inventor who gives out a rolecop shot?

Incredible amounts?

[mastina]

Modifiers

, not modified

Some sort of passive thing

Korina was Indecisive Conditional Self-Excluding
SoaS was informed and a backup
Elements was imprecise
TD's entire role was a modifier (copscetic)
My modifier is called sensitive

Oh jjh that's not what I thought you meant when talking about modifiers. I thought when you were talking about modifiers, you were talking about extra clauses which COULD have names but didn't necessarily require names. My role has one of those (well kinda sorta). My role doesn't have a named role modifier tho. Nothing like one-shot, odd-night, indecisive, novice, no modifiers like that. It has a limitation to it, but that limitation isn't a modifier, it's more of a clause. So, not every role has a modifier in the sense you're suggesting.

[mastina]

Which I think it actually was, it's just it comes down to Mastina needing to fake being involved with the game to herself until she actually gets involved with the game.

I mean. I told you explicitly on D1. "I am having trouble getting into the game". So. Explicitly so yes.

That does not mean that Elbirn's push in any way comes from town tho. I am a lazy push--an effortless push. Which, given his accusations against me. Is highly hypocritical of him.

[mastina]

I'm not sure how you could read any of her recent posting and think she was town to be quite honest.

I'm not sure how you could read any of my posting and think I wasn't town to be quite honest.

[mastina]

This is the only post by mastina which makes me particularly concerned she might be scum

That was literally the towniest post I made the entire game? Like if you were thinking that post was too town to come from me as town then sure you could have concern of it being a scumastina post but literally that was THE towniest thing I've said all game. Nothing else even remotely compares to the towniness of that post.

[mastina]

Menalque has been saying that mastina is a strong town player. I don't believe that posting comes from someone who is a strong town player. So, either mastina is not a strong town player, or mastina is not town. Mechanics play no role in my determining her alignment despite that I may have reason to believe so given her flavor claim.

I'll give you a hint:
Menalque's opinion of me being a strong town player is an opinion which, to say the least, would be...highly...controversial, to say the least.

[mastina]

If she were to show up in the middle of this discussion and be all caught up, I think we'd probably be able to call the game

Well. 2.5 hours off this comment aint that bad eh.

(For the record. Today was work then dance after that so I only just now got home.)

[mastina]

I guess I don't understand why someone who is truly disengaged continues to play the game. It's not mandatory.

Because I swore an oath to never replace out of a game ever again and that is not an oath I've any intention to break. (I've come close--but only in games which were so fucking toxic that even I the queen of stone thick skin who can stand so much toxicity that I don't really break from it, broke from it. Disengagement? Nahhhh. Not replace-worthy. And I'm fairly good at being active enough to avoid activity-based replacements, albeit often requiring me to post when I would very much rather not be.)

[eth0s]

wow that's a lot of content to address. falling asleep so i'll get to it in the morning.

[Elbirn]

Which I think it actually was, it's just it comes down to Mastina needing to fake being involved with the game to herself until she actually gets involved with the game.

I mean. I told you explicitly on D1. "I am having trouble getting into the game". So. Explicitly so yes.

That does not mean that Elbirn's push in any way comes from town tho. I am a lazy push--an effortless push. Which, given his accusations against me. Is highly hypocritical of him.

You're dying tonight I don't need your sass

[mastina]

You're dying tonight I don't need your sass

Boy, you'll know me when I get sassy. This ain't even mildly sassed yet.

[Chemist1422]

Menalque has been saying that mastina is a strong town player. I don't believe that posting comes from someone who is a strong town player. So, either mastina is not a strong town player, or mastina is not town. Mechanics play no role in my determining her alignment despite that I may have reason to believe so given her flavor claim.

Mastina is a strong town player

But if she's town here, she's not playing strongly

There's a difference that you seem to be missing

[Sujimichi]

Not really. If you believe her to be a strong town player, and that she is not playing well here, then why would you assume she is town not playing well versus not town?

[eth0s]

This suji/mastina argument has basically turned into
"players play a town game the same way every game regardless of outside factors" -suji
vs
"it's impossible to fake good, towny posts as scum" -mastina

and I am almost certain one of them is scum at this point. Obviously I lean scum!Mastina over scum!Suji but it really doesn't read like a TvT argument.

In a game where there are no/less factors in it than this one I would typically consider Suji to be the scum for his position but given the context of the game and my reads right now (with an honorable mention that Mastina should know better than to imply that a scum can't "my posts are so towny" their way into deepwolfing) Mastina is probably the scum of the two.

The way I see it:
a Mastina redflip means jjh is the partner like 99% (I still think given the odds that I see here jjh should go first but I digress).
a suji redflip means... I don't really know honestly. Elbirn would probably be the partner there but I don't think Suji is getting lynched today anyway so I don't feel like efforting much there. I would imagine others probably think it implicates me and that's understandable honestly.
(other likely rope candidates today)
a TL redflip points probably to elbirn but potentially [redacted black] too. his partner is straight up chemist if a pure/not-disloyal scum inventor though. I'm still interested to know why people (mena and chemist I think) believe that I would be the scummate there btw.

[eth0s]

ebwop in case this post ever becomes relevant

if it's a 3 scum game then I believe it's
1{jjh, mastina}; 2{TL, Elbirn}; 3{TL, [redacted black]}; 4{[redacted black], [redacted green]}; 5{[redacted white], elbirn}; 6{mastina, ???}; 7{jjh, [redacted black]}

I derped #7 in my method to assign players to colors

[eth0s]

shit i meant to be able to ctrl-F that easily

if it's a 3 scum game then I believe it's
1{jjh, mastina}; 2{TL, Elbirn}; 3{TL, [redacted black]}; 4{[redacted black], [redacted green]}; 5{[redacted white], elbirn}; 6{mastina, ???}; 7{jjh, [redacted black]}

~~~~~

[eth0s]

ammending something else after thinking on it

if it's a 3 scum game then I believe it's
1{jjh, mastina}; 2{TL, Elbirn}; 3{TL, [redacted pink]}; 4{[redacted black], [redacted green]}; 5{[redacted white], elbirn}; 6{mastina, ???}; 7{jjh, [redacted black]}

~~~~~

[TemporalLich]

I'm not sure how mastina is scum other than "mastina is possibly a deepwolf so we have to be paranoid"

[eth0s]

Fuck why did your scumgame have to be good now I have to think again

the one with fugitive?