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[Chibiie]

Another quick thing... it just clicked, Aaron, you're smarter than that, yet you just said something stupid, out of your character.
So you took advantage of Gimm1ck's neutral read on Yoda and took him out, now having a 1v1 with me. Reason is simple:

You knew Gimm1ck would've tracked his neutral read and killing me in order to cc Yoda would've been impossible since Yoda would've visited Gimm1ck, both still alive, yet I would've been dead...

This was your only option for a win. You trapped yourself in this situation LOL

How am I supposed to know what Gimm1ck is gonna do? Smart move would've been to no kill actually then that eliminates any chance that the tracker gets a result on you. This would work out even better with gimmick getting the result he did (Yoda visited him) because then scum can claim doc and claim they protected gimmick. Yoda is lynched then boom easy win.

That would've put you in MyLo... why am I even breaking down your scum actions?
If MyLo, guess who would've been lynched? Exactly, Yoda and whoever cc'ed doc then would've been D5 lynch... I have no reason to cc PR, I was actually trying to cover 2nd PR and get targeted during night so I they both survive as long as possible. Was hoping that you were PR because we were set perfectly for a win, but well, not all stories have happy endings.

Can we get over this already? Check your interaction with teacher in #434 where you ask if my push was OMGUS, that's where our clash pretty much ended due to you backing down.

Also, when was teacher ever obvtown? He was trusted, but I don't think we had 2 obvtowns in this game, you were the only one with that status.

Last point, when replying to my posts, please answer to proper segments that are connected and don't break one idea into multiple sentences. That's misleading and total scum.

[Chibiie]

But thing is, cause I forgot to mention, is that MyLo, we would agree most likely to not lynch and let Gimm1ck track someone (ofc, without calling the target beforehand)... scum must NK, MyLo can go forever if scum doesn't kill. MyLo is full Town advantage, you didn't want that.

[Chibiie]

I miscalculated that D5 speculation, now that I think about it, the only thing we would've done if MyLo is no lynch and let you pick a target.
A sacrifice for the win... same outcome anyway. You literally trapped yourself in this situation omg I shouldn't laugh.

[AaronFrost]

Another quick thing... it just clicked, Aaron, you're smarter than that, yet you just said something stupid, out of your character.
So you took advantage of Gimm1ck's neutral read on Yoda and took him out, now having a 1v1 with me. Reason is simple:

You knew Gimm1ck would've tracked his neutral read and killing me in order to cc Yoda would've been impossible since Yoda would've visited Gimm1ck, both still alive, yet I would've been dead...

This was your only option for a win. You trapped yourself in this situation LOL

How am I supposed to know what Gimm1ck is gonna do? Smart move would've been to no kill actually then that eliminates any chance that the tracker gets a result on you. This would work out even better with gimmick getting the result he did (Yoda visited him) because then scum can claim doc and claim they protected gimmick. Yoda is lynched then boom easy win.

That would've put you in MyLo... why am I even breaking down your scum actions?
If MyLo, guess who would've been lynched? Exactly, Yoda and whoever cc'ed doc then would've been D5 lynch... I have no reason to cc PR, I was actually trying to cover 2nd PR and get targeted during night so I they both survive as long as possible. Was hoping that you were PR because we were set perfectly for a win, but well, not all stories have happy endings.

If Yoda is lynched in MyLo then game is over. You know what MyLo means right? Mislynch or lose, with Yoda being the mislynch. There is no Day 5 here.

Yes you would, for all the reasons I just laid out. Do you actually expect him to believe that you were baiting a night kill? In what way were you trying to bait a night kill?

Can we get over this already? Check your interaction with teacher in #434 where you ask if my push was OMGUS, that's where our clash pretty much ended due to you backing down.

What about it is scummy to you? I literally just explained this post and why I "backed down." Honestly you're not even trying. You're just telling him to "read this it's so obvscum" without explaining for yourself. Pretty poor attempt at getting Gimmick on your side.

Also, when was teacher ever obvtown? He was trusted, but I don't think we had 2 obvtowns in this game, you were the only one with that status.

So what happened to Spartan being obvtown?

Last point, when replying to my posts, please answer to proper segments that are connected and don't break one idea into multiple sentences. That's misleading and total scum.

I'm not misleading anyone. I'm telling it exactly as I'm seeing it.

[AaronFrost]

But thing is, cause I forgot to mention, is that MyLo, we would agree most likely to not lynch and let Gimm1ck track someone (ofc, without calling the target beforehand)... scum must NK, MyLo can go forever if scum doesn't kill. MyLo is full Town advantage, you didn't want that.

It can't go on forever if town does nothing either. Eventually they'd have to take a chance and lynch one of the PR claims and in the scenario I pointed out, itd likely be the wrong claim with gimmicks result.

[AaronFrost]

*can go on forever

[AaronFrost]

The real kicker is that you're acting like you've already won when Gimm1ck has given us zero indication of what he's thinking in this situation. Unlike you though, I'm actually interested in hearing his thoughts and letting him decide for himself and have shown that I'm willing to work with him. So Gimm1ck, whenever you get one here, let us know what you're thinking here. I'll answer any questions you have.

[Chibiie]

Here is the thing...
Gimm1ck votes, game ends.

I don't see much logic in your posts, just taking what I say and bending it.
That doesn't look like you're defending yourself too much... You don't really have what to defend with, but ok. I'll accept that you've tried.

In the meantime, work on accepting defeats, Mr. Goon.

[Gimm1ck]

Haven't been able to give a thorough read through yet but, homework for Aaron

why would teacher lead to believe he was going to be tracked by me? Why do you think they decided chibiie was more likely to be tracked over teacher (given that he is scum from your point of view) - even when I stated I townread chiibiie?

[Gimm1ck]

Homework for Chibiie - why do you think teacher believed he was going to be tracked over Aaron, even when I stated I townread Aaron over teacher? Do you think teacher would take that risk?

[AaronFrost]

Haven't been able to give a thorough read through yet but, homework for Aaron

why would teacher lead to believe he was going to be tracked by me? Why do you think they decided chibiie was more likely to be tracked over teacher (given that he is scum from your point of view) - even when I stated I townread chiibiie?

Post 492 after you had claimed tracker, you had stated that you were trusting teacher a lot less than you were previously. I assume this is why you tracked him. What teacher did was essentially a sacrifice play. If he was to get tracked that night, he'd have two visits (one for the kill and one for the rolecop). If he thought he would get tracked, then he can rolecop his partner in order to take suspicion off of him and we would naturally assume that "oh he would never rolecop his partner" which is exactly what teacher would want us to think.

[AaronFrost]

Here is the thing...
Gimm1ck votes, game ends.

I don't see much logic in your posts, just taking what I say and bending it.
That doesn't look like you're defending yourself too much... You don't really have what to defend with, but ok. I'll accept that you've tried.

In the meantime, work on accepting defeats, Mr. Goon.

Then feel free to point out why my posts are illogical instead of just dismissing them. Also you're high if you think I'm gonna just give up here regardless of alignment.

[Chibiie]

Homework for Chibiie - why do you think teacher believed he was going to be tracked over Aaron, even when I stated I townread Aaron over teacher? Do you think teacher would take that risk?

I don't know what teacher's plan was, I just speculate, however, fact doesn't change that everyone was talking about how scums keep distance from one another and it is known to be a common tactic, everyone analyzed that, but these two kept close in early game and gradually put distance.

I read your question multiple times, but didn't you just answered it yourself?
You did claim PR, nobody cc, you've also stated that you townread teacher a lot less in D2...

I would've thought the same tbh, but I personally wouldn't have taken that risk. I don't have teacher's experience on this platform and this might've been a winning trick from his past games. He will let us know his thought process after the game is over (assuming that dead players can post after game ends).

In the meantime, Aaron + teacher throughout the game have been gradually distancing from each other, more one-sided to be honest (Aaron showing more that he's distancing from teacher) for voting against me, but have he ever questioned teacher's vote on you, Gimm1ck, in D2? Nope. Also once you claimed tracker, that's when Aaron started pushing me... So his vote in D2 was Salad>Gimm1ck>Chibiie>Salad [hammer].

I will also stress that I backed my hammer intent and also said that I will get into more details before we hammer Salad, but I wasn't given a chance by Aaron, which is strange behavior for a Town.

Anyway, if there is any other question, ask away.

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 4.01

I think this is fiction but it's kind of hard to tell. Well, it probably wasn't literally written by a parrot.

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Lynching

With 3 votes in play, it takes 2 to lynch.

Chibiie

(1): AaronFrost

AaronFrost

(1): Chibiie

Not Voting

(1): Gimm1ck

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-10-27 08:20:00).

Mod notes: AaronFrost is V/LA until Monday

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[Gimm1ck]

Fuck me if this is wrong, well predicted teacher if so
VOTE: Aaronfrost

[AaronFrost]

Maaaaaaan...

Gg teach and chibiie (hey look I spelled your name right)

[Chibiie]

My prediction* :)
teacher wanted me to target Aaron

[Chibiie]

GGs everyone, it was a pleasure playing with you all!
Let's meet in future games.

Aaron, great opponent :)

[Gimm1ck]

Did not expect that, well done teacher

[Chibiie]

The thing is, it was masterminded since D2, but I was 100% sure that Spartan is 2nd PR, that's why we NK'ed him.

teacher's spontaneous decision to rolecop me actually threw me off too, because I originally wanted to out 2nd PR and then push Aaron in D4, but overall, teacher was a great guide on this platform and an open, talkative and great teammate to work with, I owe him this win and hope that next time we meet as Townies and get along just the same :)

[AaronFrost]

Gg yeah teacher is a good player whichever alignment he is. I thought you'd have an easier time pushing Yoda over me which is why I'm surprised you didn't kill me.

Spartan wasn't giving off any pr vibes from me so I thought you guys went for it because he was the most obvtown player and you thought the doc would be on gimmick.

[Chibiie]

Well, it was nice playing with you all, hope that we meet again.

Aaron, you annoyed me at some point because you are so clever and was such a reliable Townie that I actually thought I'm taking the L.
Gimm1ck, I'm sorry for deceiving you, but I had to :(
teacher, so glad to have worked with you.
Spartan, great logic and a very interrogative Townie playstyle, I like it.
Yoda, I'm not sure if it was intentional, but you kept a nice low-profile as a Doc, I had not a single PR read on you.
Salad, such a lynchbait lol, let's meet again
George / Dong :) D1 only I don't have any grip of your playstyles, but nice playing with both of you!

Thank you very much, Plotinus, for providing interesting articles and for modding the game :) I've actually read the articles while slacking in the office while drinking my coffee in the mornings!

Sayonara!

PEDIT: I didn't go for you because the only way to cc Yoda was if Gimm1ck would've tracked you, which had the lowest chance of happening. If Yoda was tracked and you died, then I would've been the only one left to be accused as scum. If I was tracked, obviously, I am the scum. If you're tracked and die, then I could've cc.

I took the safest option, kill Yoda who was most likely tracked and then push you.

[AaronFrost]

Yeah my biggest mistake was hammering Salad. I think he'd have been lynched regardless but I should gone with my instinct and pushed teacher more.

[AaronFrost]

Gimm1ck I do wish you would've taken a little more time to think about this though. I know you had a 50/50 chance so you probably went with your gut but still.

[teacher]

OMG Chibiie, youre my hero!

I realized right as the flip was happening that you mechanically HAD to kill Yoda, so told Plot I lost. But then you went and saved it. Such an awesome teammate.

Ive been away all day, and have to get ready for school tomorrow. I will give individualized feedback in a couple days.

Overall, PRs hid well (this was the first game where I totally struck out), and Aaron your play REALLY improved. But everyone needs to be more active for the game to be fun and for town to have a shot. I mean our 2 person scumthread is about 1/5th the size of this 9p game. It should be like a 10th based on the number of possible viewpoints and relationships discussed.