Mini Theme 2105: Assassins Mafia (Game Over!)

[Definitely Not Scum]

The vast majority of my loss in Role Call was misreading scum Oversoul.
I don't think I learn much about people watching them play when I know their alignment
I didn't watch Magical Girls after I died.
I can swear I misread scum!Oversoul in a game besides rolecall though I can't name it right now.

I'm going to UNVOTE:
Minorly because of remembering how much oversoul underrates himself and that he could pull off forgetting how he owned me in role call due to that.
But mostly because I was almost positive it was volxen posting, and it'd be scummier coming from him

GIF: You've shown the inability to read me, so I only ask that you defer to people who actually know how to read me like Firebringer, Pops, Dunnstral, potentially Shadoweh.

This is a sketchy way to discredit GiF's read since I'm batting .5000 on volxen and 0.000 on Oversoul.
VOTE: Definitely Not Scum

I am not confident in reading you. I said in an earlier post that I am not happy with batting .5000 on reading you.

I said you're easier to read than someone who obliterated me as scum.

Readability summary:
volxen = olde englishe
oversoul = wingdings

Spoiler: la

You seem quite hung up on my unvoting what was very obviously a joke vote...

It had nothing to do with your joke vote nor the unvote actually. It had to do with literally everything except them, in fact.

The post I was talking about in that post reeked of wine, which is generally going to be enough to get me to look at you, but probably not vote until we can sort out the wine first.

aka the cowerdice. Why not vote her to sort that wine out yourself?

Why should I seriously vote four pages in? I know nothing of her except what I've seen for a few pages, so to me it's more worth waiting to see how someone acts normally to establish a baseline before applying any pressure when confronted with a player I don't know.

As an aside, past the wine I don't find pops particularly scummy.

Most of DNS's defence has felt genuinely awful, being mostly OMGUS and wine without any real substance beyond "You guys are wrong because I'm town and I can prove it during the day even with only two votes on me". It's been really bad and seems like an extreme overreaction to just putting two votes down, so back on I go.

It's awful sure
But is it scummy?

"I can prove myself as locktown in the day" as what appears to be a first line of defence feels like panicked scum, especially with one of the heads' admittance of "not being good at scum". Definitely feels like the best lead so far.

lady angel
you have a pokemon avatar
and it reminds me of sunkern and sunflora
so i like it
i think it might be the same generation as sunkern and sunflora
just the one that is better at drowsing to sleeps ans stun spore instead of healsing and solar beam
but i'm not sure
if your avatar is secretly after gen 3
speak now or forever hold your peeace
but dont speak now
speak silent
use
the silence
because i will buddy you less
because i dislike gen four and after
lie to me
and say it's pkmn rubies
that's how to pocket me
lady angel
i empathize with your post
because you seem frustrated with wine
or maybe not frustrated
but that you are explaining to gif
that it is on one side of the table
and on the other side of the table there is other stuff
like when i have friends over for board games
and on one side of the table
there is vodka
and on the other side
there is artifact cards that cost influence points
and stuff
but what i'm getting at
i feel bad
for your WIFOM experience
i think it is antitown to induce wifom
because wifom is not the only way or best way or 3rd best way to sort
but townie or scum can trigger it at any time
i have triggered it
but not for wifom itself it is just i am stressed out about games where i am not impactful and i lose
so i am sorry
i am gonna try to play more straight shooter
from here
for help
but listen
i think you are scumreading oversoul for being emo myspace "i'm obvscum" scum
and that is actually just oversoul
being emo myspace "i'm obvscum scum"
cause like
people who think they are really bad at scum
falsely
think they have no scumrange
so if they post something like
"blueberry pancakes are better than plain panckaes"
which is objectively true
they feel like they should be townlocked
immediately
and that is kind of the oversoul status
of this game
atm
but actually oversoul is better than he thinks at scum
and actually putting honey on his pancakes and pretending it is good
is disgusting
but he thinks ppl think its normal
so he doesn't understand how impressive he is
that he can eat that
without regurgitating it
like a heavy excessively sweet layer of honey
anyway
i think you should wait for more vollxen posting
before wagoning Not all DNS servers are scum
plus GiF wnats you to do that and I am shifyt eyes at him
I wam not even sure if he is scum he might be scum or town who cares a lot about his bounty i don't even know
but
you can read volxen with more times
please calculate
i'm gonna spoiler this cause idk how many times i hit return at this point it feels like lot
but fan the solar rays uponst thge shadowy dark type pokemonss lady grass grass
keep an eye on DNS server is ok but oversoul omgus is in the fairy nature
i think this game has good starts
Pine is the darker image of the coward status
Gif is antitown for assasin bonus objective of mafki
single posters hide hidden lies of wariness
regularly consume iron
gn

Pops how do you go from claiming no understanding of my play to accurately psychoanalyzing me?

[NaCl]

Assassin mech is actually related to our confirming mechanic, so while I agree in principle, in our particular case I think it’s pro-town.

Ugh, not a fan of this.

If you can't actually confirm yourself right now, but might be able to later, what was the point in saying you could confirm yourself town?

Actually, never mind. I'm pretty sure that's also fake, then.

No, I think your misinterpreting it. Whether or not we successfully kill our assassin target is not how we can confirm ourselves. However, why we are confirmed town and how we can do it is tangentially related to the assassin mechanic itself.

- OS

Well, I'm either really misinterpreting you or you're probably lying. But whatever. If it happens it happens. In any case, I don't want to be some idiot who accidentally reveals useful information--or gets baited by scum into falling for something, so let's just drop it.

Most of DNS's defence has felt genuinely awful, being mostly OMGUS and wine without any real substance beyond "You guys are wrong because I'm town and I can prove it during the day even with only two votes on me". It's been really bad and seems like an extreme overreaction to just putting two votes down, so back on I go.

It's awful sure
But is it scummy?

"I can prove myself as locktown in the day" as what appears to be a first line of defence feels like panicked scum, especially with one of the heads' admittance of "not being good at scum". Definitely feels like the best lead so far.

I'm kind of doubtful on this, though. This feels a bit of an overly confident read on that part of them.

LA, what do you think of Pine?

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: Lady Angel

She has a tendency to look scummy as town, from my experience

But why would town fear the reaction test

[GuyInFreezer]

Anyway, I have 3 townreads in a 13P game. Looking good so far.

[popsofctown]

Pops how do you go from claiming no understanding of my play to accurately psychoanalyzing me?

"No understanding of your play" isn't an accurate representation. I'm not confident I'll get the final answer right on you. Especially because I always townread your tone. Spectating town Oversoul, hm he reads townie on tone. Playing with scum Oversoul hm he seems townie on tone. Playing on a scumteam with Oversoul idk tbh he seems townie on tone. Oversoul is moderating the game, somehow he seems townie on tone.
There's nothing inscrutable about the individual building blocks of your play. Those blocks are just covered in sprinkles. If you were a solo slot I would work a lot harder on, ignore the sprinkles pops, look at the shapes of the blocks, why are the blocks arranged in a swastika, isn't that a little troubling pops, stop eating the sprinkles. And I'll probably be efforting to do that on the part of reading your slot that comes from you. But I think I want to 80% base it on volxen.

I don't like DNS at all for day one lynch right now if that's not clear yet btw

[bitbringer]

pops town.

GIF town.

-bit

[GuyInFreezer]

pops town.

GIF town.

-bit

But are you

[bitbringer]

pops town.

GIF town.

-bit

But are you

no im scum

[GuyInFreezer]

I see. It'll be sad to see you go when I inevitably lynch you Day 2.
Can't leave scum alive after all. Win condition and all that.

[bitbringer]

No but seriously I do apologize for not being around as much and having fire do most of the posting. I'll try to actually read this today.

-bit

[tris]

good morning

[tris]

Pops get back in the neighbor chat, we have many important things to discuss

VOTE: Tris

so, is this quote by oversoul since it's unsigned?

[popsofctown]

That quote is by Oversoul because "many important things to discuss" is Oversoul diction
And because there were posts from him in the neighborhood
Those didn't have any noticeable diction, but they were unsigned

[tris]

in that case,

@oversoul why were you voting me there? and then only later doing the whole checking my playstyle thing? what is your read on me now?

[tris]

is pops good at being scum?

[popsofctown]

I can be scum without everyone I battled feeling icky afterwards so that's cool
I don't tend to win a lot when I roll scum though. My k/d/r is ok but I don't push objectives

[Definitely Not Scum]

I am not confident in reading you. I said in an earlier post that I am not happy with batting .5000 on reading you.

I said you're easier to read than someone who obliterated me as scum.

Readability summary:
volxen = olde englishe
oversoul = wingdings

I still think that it’s suspicious how quickly you backed off of your push on us. And how you are claiming that you originally voted for us because you thought that I was making the posts that Oversoul was making (and that somehow those posts would be more scummy coming from me than from him), and then you only unvoted us only upon realizing that it was Oversoul posting all along. You are familiar with both Oversoul and I (especially Oversoul), and we have very different posting styles. I don’t think that it’s easy to mix the two of us up. Why did you think that I was making those posts?

- Volxen (Definitely Town)

[popsofctown]

Do you really think even if I were scum I would lie about extra stuff I don't have to lie about in order to back off of a scumread? As scum I can pick any reason I want so why make a web of lies and just give myself the chance to forget which thread goes where?

But since you think I am -so familiar- with posting styles and there is too much dramatic irony here I trawled for all the examples of me not telling hydra heads apart and getting teased and or trolled for it. No in hindsight it was not worth the time, apparently town don't reconsider their positions in light of new information, I have recently learned that, and I townread you right now so I already know this was an exercise in futility. Vanity? No exercise in the opposite of vanity. Self deprecation! that's the word. The word that sounds like you're crumpling up a coke can but it bends in just the right places so that sound is satisfying.

Spoiler: pops alt-hunter extroadinaire

Hidden Happiness
You do know you're talking to a list mod who knows this very well right? I don't think momo would be stupid enough to do that. Obviously he was getting tr for hyper posting so why wouldn't scum him keep doing that? If anything the fact he started lurking I would think would be reason to tr him but maybe I'm dumb!~All Maria
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popsofctown

No, I don't, because you're playing a hydra and are not signing your posts
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Hidden Happiness

Is it really that hard to tell us apart? I feel like we don't need to sign because of how clear it is.~Maria
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popsofctown
Jack of All Trades



popsofctown
Jack of All Trades



Yeah I thought both the last two posts were Shadoweh. I don't put lots of energy into learning to alt hunt. Scumhunting is more fun
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Hidden Happiness


I think the way the game shifting the red on momo is pretty meh. But considering it is 3 scum it's not impossible for thread to shift. But if the logic is that it's because momo lurked to me that just doesn't make sense. If momo made scummy posts by all means please bring them to my attention because otherwise we're being dumb rn
pedit: Yeah no you're talking to the better hydra head rn

I feel like if I was good at hydra hunting I'd be able to figure out a head but I'm totally not so bleh.

You can take a guess at one of our identities, I'll confirm it honestly if correct

Nah

I might queue with you again, I agree with Cephrir that it's ideal for secret alts to be fully secret for fully out.

I don't even have a strong guess anyway

Please sign posts when you can, to the hydra accounts.

To quote a post I said last game: Pops how can you not tell between me and my partner? I feel like we're blatantly obvious.
~Celica

[GuyInFreezer]

Where are people?

[popsofctown]

So far, Sujimichi actually past prod, AbuHaimed only posted "Hello" and still almost needs to be prodded off of that,

A bunch of people who were decently active previously vanished in the past RL day inexplicably though.

[tris]

i meant to be more active today. i was gonna take notes on each player. but even my little bit of activity was more than most. where is everyone?

[Shadoweh]

I told you I was busy <.<

I don't remember how to post without making up bullshit reads anymore tbh, my last town game was over a year ago. Normally I'd be pretending to be suspicious of pops and sucking up to tris for being obvtown by now.

[Definitely Not Scum]

Do you really think even if I were scum I would lie about extra stuff I don't have to lie about in order to back off of a scumread? As scum I can pick any reason I want so why make a web of lies and just give myself the chance to forget which thread goes where?

But since you think I am -so familiar- with posting styles and there is too much dramatic irony here I trawled for all the examples of me not telling hydra heads apart and getting teased and or trolled for it. No in hindsight it was not worth the time, apparently town don't reconsider their positions in light of new information, I have recently learned that, and I townread you right now so I already know this was an exercise in futility. Vanity? No exercise in the opposite of vanity. Self deprecation! that's the word. The word that sounds like you're crumpling up a coke can but it bends in just the right places so that sound is satisfying.

Spoiler: pops alt-hunter extroadinaire

Hidden Happiness
You do know you're talking to a list mod who knows this very well right? I don't think momo would be stupid enough to do that. Obviously he was getting tr for hyper posting so why wouldn't scum him keep doing that? If anything the fact he started lurking I would think would be reason to tr him but maybe I'm dumb!~All Maria
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popsofctown

No, I don't, because you're playing a hydra and are not signing your posts
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Hidden Happiness

Is it really that hard to tell us apart? I feel like we don't need to sign because of how clear it is.~Maria
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popsofctown
Jack of All Trades



popsofctown
Jack of All Trades



Yeah I thought both the last two posts were Shadoweh. I don't put lots of energy into learning to alt hunt. Scumhunting is more fun
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Hidden Happiness


I think the way the game shifting the red on momo is pretty meh. But considering it is 3 scum it's not impossible for thread to shift. But if the logic is that it's because momo lurked to me that just doesn't make sense. If momo made scummy posts by all means please bring them to my attention because otherwise we're being dumb rn
pedit: Yeah no you're talking to the better hydra head rn

I feel like if I was good at hydra hunting I'd be able to figure out a head but I'm totally not so bleh.

You can take a guess at one of our identities, I'll confirm it honestly if correct

Nah

I might queue with you again, I agree with Cephrir that it's ideal for secret alts to be fully secret for fully out.

I don't even have a strong guess anyway

Please sign posts when you can, to the hydra accounts.

To quote a post I said last game: Pops how can you not tell between me and my partner? I feel like we're blatantly obvious.
~Celica

You’re acting as though it’s too far-fetched for scum!you to fake misunderstanding which of our heads was posting so that you could justify backing out of a bad push on our slot after you realized that it was a mistake. I disagree that it’s too far-fetched. Yes, there are other fake reason(s) scum!you could have come up with to justify backing out of your push on us, but so what? Pretending to have mixed Oversoul and I up gives you an easy out on that front – there’s no need for scum!you to come up with anything more elaborate to justify backing out of your push on us. And since you apparently think that Oversoul’s posts are towny coming from him but those same posts would have been scummy coming from me, I don’t get why you didn’t simply ask which head was posting up front, rather than defaulting to assuming that I was writing the posts and then voting for our slot solely on that basis.

What exactly is the basis of your townread on our slot? Are you individually townreading both my posts and Oversoul’s posts?

- Volxen (Definitely Town)

[Definitely Not Scum]

Vote: Definitely Not Scum

The name compels me.

I haven't seen anything particularly scummy these few pages in but post #53 bothers me a little.

Vote: Definitely Not Scum

The name compels me.

I haven't seen anything particularly scummy these few pages in but post #53 bothers me a little.

RVS ends when you have a read that feels real

kind of like
my rights end
where your rights begin
i'm not touching you
i'm not touching you
you know

you should vote me

That's the thing, though. 53 and this makes me feel like you want to be voted, which naturally makes me a little worried about actually voting you because due to the amount of wine involved in something like this, so I'd rather hold off until things develop a bit more.

That being said, UNVOTE:

Hmm I detect cowardice.

You seem quite hung up on my unvoting what was very obviously a joke vote...

The post I was talking about in that post reeked of wine, which is generally going to be enough to get me to look at you, but probably not vote until we can sort out the wine first.

Most of DNS's defence has felt genuinely awful, being mostly OMGUS and wine without any real substance beyond "You guys are wrong because I'm town and I can prove it during the day even with only two votes on me". It's been really bad and seems like an extreme overreaction to just putting two votes down, so back on I go.

VOTE: DefinitelyNotScum

This one stays until they come up with a good defence.

As an aside, I have both work and a class on mondays, so I probably won't be around again for the remainder of the day.

What exactly are you expecting us to "defend" at this point?

You seem quite hung up on my unvoting what was very obviously a joke vote...

It had nothing to do with your joke vote nor the unvote actually. It had to do with literally everything except them, in fact.

The post I was talking about in that post reeked of wine, which is generally going to be enough to get me to look at you, but probably not vote until we can sort out the wine first.

aka the cowerdice. Why not vote her to sort that wine out yourself?

Why should I seriously vote four pages in? I know nothing of her except what I've seen for a few pages, so to me it's more worth waiting to see how someone acts normally to establish a baseline before applying any pressure when confronted with a player I don't know.

As an aside, past the wine I don't find pops particularly scummy.

Most of DNS's defence has felt genuinely awful, being mostly OMGUS and wine without any real substance beyond "You guys are wrong because I'm town and I can prove it during the day even with only two votes on me". It's been really bad and seems like an extreme overreaction to just putting two votes down, so back on I go.

It's awful sure
But is it scummy?

"I can prove myself as locktown in the day" as what appears to be a first line of defence feels like panicked scum, especially with one of the heads' admittance of "not being good at scum". Definitely feels like the best lead so far.

Why do you think that Oversoul's bit about being able to prove that our slot is town is more likely to come from "panicked" scum!Oversoul than town!Oversoul?


- Volxen (Definitely Town)

[Definitely Not Scum]

If it were a joke, why hesitate? That self-consciousness rings false to me. Town doesn’t need to be inhibited during RVS, so the FOSes are super weird

It might be a playstyle thing for tris. I need to see if she does this sort of thing in other other games. Thoughts on Princess Pops?

- OS

Pops is usually a blatant read, but she hasn’t really started playing yet. Patience.

A quick meta dive says that tris doesn't do this as either alignment.

Scum in schadd micro: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=80729 and town in nmsa open: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=80894.

Congrats, you just lined yourself up as “likely scumbud #1”. The Town way to do that meta dive is to declare it simply non-meta, rather than imply it’s innocent.

Congrats, you just lined yourself up as “likely scumbud #1”. The Town way to do that meta dive is to declare it simply non-meta, rather than imply it’s innocent.

Isn’t that exactly what I did? I said she doesn’t do it as either alignment ergo not a meta thing.

- OS

No.

Oh fine. “She doesn’t do this” is in fact different from “It’s not a meta tell”. The first biases the reader to judge tris innocent by implying that her strange posting isn’t a pattern and therefore is genuine. The second is a neutral comment without predisposition.

And I mean wow, the blatant OMGUS

VOTE: DNS

Methinks the t-shirt doth protest too much

Yeah this is not Town!Oversoul

Is your scumread on our slot contingent on Tris being scum? Your whole argument here seems to be that scum!Oversoul came up with this "meta defense" to help out scum!Tris.

Also, we haven't OMGUS voted anyone in this game.


- Volxen (Definitely Town)