Micro 891 - Death List (Game Over)

[DrDolittle]

ok i still think pops is town.
im unsure between nymph and mariar.
but im 80 percent ish sure think dunn lunch wins the game

[popsofctown]

If it wasn't clear already

popsofctown

Nymph

DrDoLittle

MariaR

Dunnstral

Only the orange has any chance of swapping for me today(/for the rest of the game?).
From both DrDoLittle and his predecessor, there have been some things that pinged me negatively and lots of weighty things that pinged me very positively. For Nymph there has been nothing but chips and drops in the buckets of thing I like and nary a single thing for me to find concerning. I feel much more comfortable townblocking the latter pattern.
MariaR is largely a blank slate. I do feel really challenged by her "name one scummy thing I've done this game" assertions and the assertions don't seem like they're intended as a bad faith purpose for reshaping dialogue. She's done things I've liked and things I've disliked with both of them never really amounting to comments that feel postworthy for me to remark upon.

By DDL's math (well DDL's math after I corrected it, it's townlock=2) it could be irrelevant to the outcome of the game how I sort DDL and MariaR if my ideal 2 card townblock of pops-nymph is accepted. It's possible that has broad enough buy-in but I'm not positive about whether it is, Nymph's stance being important in particular since they're wanting to re-eval today. In other cases it could be pivotal how I sort them and I feel like I'd feel godawful getting either of them wrong, either abandoning my gut on a day 1 townread that felt really really good when I developed it or mislynching one of my favorite players on site as one of the few players new enough to her play to really be giving her a fair shake (while shadoweh+MariaR hydra Hidden Happiness has already dunked on town!pops twice in a very short period of time I mostly blame shadoweh).


I don't know if I was headed towards a point with this
can people obvtown or obvscum please thank you so much

[Nymph]

Azure's posts were really really bad.

1) Strong agenda pushing.
2) Attacking possibly weaker town reads (aka me) and using the NKs to set up scum reads on the town reads.
3) Interactions with N_M seemed like a bus that was planned for D2.

We should lynch/NK {Dunnstral, DDL}.
We should protect {pops, me}.

I don't really see MariaR as last scum. It just seems like town who kind of lacked dedication to this game and just felt like really sloppy. She's also shooting herself in the foot if she's scum since she's hard town locking pops and me. There's like a very minimal chance it's MariaR and I can see scum pushing MariaR because ez lynch.

[popsofctown]

have I mentioned Nymph is aligned with the town

[popsofctown]

We should lynch/NK {Dunnstral, DDL}.

I'm leaving work for my vacay in literally 20 minutes and this seemed like a bear to figure out by hand so I punched it in while I still can touch my work pc.

Only two methods for this,
DDL direct lynch, Dunnstral collateral damage: pair, half reverse, yields DDL-Dunnstral-MariaR-Nymph-pops.
Dunnstral direct lynch, DDL collateral damage: pair, half, half, yields Dunnstral-DDL-pops-Nymph-MariaR

You can't make anyone BP at night tonight so that part is irrelevant

[Nymph]

I slight town lean MariaR.

I assume you have reasons for this read?

This is not what you ask when someone's making a read on your supposed "partner".

[DrDolittle]

not really

[Nymph]

I still recommend Dunnstral to be our lynch though.

[MariaR]

We need to drag this phase out as much as possible. I don't think people understand how good having 1 scum left is. Because it means at most 1 person is lying and it means you can take reads mostly in good faith. It's easier to bounce ideas off knowing someone isn't defending a buddy etc.
I'll have more thoughts tonight but I wanted to make this clear

[popsofctown]

We need to drag this phase out as much as possible.

I'm V/LA the rest of this phase

[DrDolittle]

im worried about pops-scum setting up for 3p lylo by hard defending nymph tbh.
like i have had that strat used on me once, and it was not good.

[popsofctown]

im worried about pops-scum setting up for 3p lylo by hard defending nymph tbh.
like i have had that strat used on me once, and it was not good.

This is incoherent. As MariaR extremely recently explained, a townread can't be on a buddy so the only reason for scum to white-knight a slot is because that slot won't vote the scum. But Nymph is the second most or most likely slot in the game to vote me, flipping on two ~consensus scumreads today and shivering about a deepwolf.

The timing on posting this after MariaR demonstrated she is going to make an effort to clear her slot and after I spelled out how a Nymph-pops townbloc endgames scum is not remotely a good look for you, because my strong townread on Nymph predates both those things, and if you were reading their play today through the same lens I am you'd be expecting it to double down too

[DrDolittle]

i am definitely not doubling down on nymph town with the n_m flip.

[DrDolittle]

idk how to explain this. like in One I cannot kill, scum rc set up me and A against each other by strongly townleaning A, and suspicion on me, which pocketed A and made A and me crossvote, which led to an easy win

maybe it doesnt translate here

[popsofctown]

i am definitely not doubling down on nymph town with the n_m flip.

You're working with a different d1 than I am

idk how to explain this. like in One I cannot kill, scum rc set up me and A against each other by strongly townleaning A, and suspicion on me, which pocketed A and made A and me crossvote, which led to an easy win

maybe it doesnt translate here

Yeah this is really incoherent. If he strongly townleaned you and put suspicion on A, would that have been town indicative instead? Obviously not, it's symmetrical.
Therefore his position is supposed to be: I'm equally interested in lynching every slot except my own? That's literally a paraphrase of the solo scum or survivor wincon so that doesn't even resemble scumhunting to look for the people who are playing that way to townbin them.

Obviously a townread can be scummy but you're not going anywhere past "townreading is scummy" at all which is bizarre and I'm not even sure I believe you believe what you're saying.

[Dunnstral]

My reads haven't changed, don't lynch ddl

[MariaR]

Your reads literally don't exist

[Dunnstral]

They do though

You're not acting towny and Nymph is poe because I don't think it's Pops or DDL

[Nymph]

Can you elaborate why MariaR isn't towny?

[Dunnstral]

I don't see a need to do that

[popsofctown]

There's a boy riding a scooter around this party supply store with wood flooring what is this

Dunnstral are you interested in persuading anyone about your reads?

[MariaR]

I don't see a need to do that

Because he's scum.

Anyone can say 'x isn't towny' it's buzz words and means nothing. Dunn would explain if he was town more on his reads. He knows he's getting lynched and is just gonna take it?
Let's speed this up the game is over

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral are you interested in persuading anyone about your reads?

No

You have 2 lynches left, that gets used on me and MariaR

And if we lose, then it was Nymph

[DrDolittle]

I think 833 is pretty townie

[DrDolittle]

I just dont understand pops hard clear on Nymph. It's a no meta clear which I find suspect