Open 767: Nomination Mafia [Day 7]

[Awoo]

The fact that you did makes me feel appreciated and valued. Forget what I said earlier about you potentially being mafia.

[PMysterious]

Well, I'm dead. Well, sorry to say, but you did not kill Mafia.

If you want my honest thoughts, I have no idea on the Day 2. It could be all scum, 2 scum 1 town, or 1 scum 2 town.

My prediction for Day 4 is that they are going to throw in all Town, since the numbers for scum are not in their favor. If they throw in one of their own again, I will be amazed not only at how courageous they are, but also how stupid their actions are.

I wish I could be of more help, but since I am V/LA, I wasn't able to get on in time before the hammer dropped. Best of luck to the Town.

[Awoo]

Yeah didn't think so. Let's lynch suji instead next time, OK?

[chennisden]

I think this is a hamemr lemme count

VC 3.3

PMysterious (5)	Sujimichi 905, GuiltyLion 1114, NorwegianboyEE 1137, Joey 1179, Awoo 1195
Sujimichi (3)	pisskop 1078, Menalque 1080, TrueSoulEnergy 1149
Not Voting (1)	PMysterious

PMysterious was town

[chennisden]

(expired on 2019-10-23 18:56:53)

[chennisden]

The nominees are Awoo, Menalque, and TrueSoulEnergy.

D4 ends in (expired on 2019-11-02 18:52:57).

[Menalque]

Hmm

[Menalque]

Why’d you hammer PM, awoo?

[Menalque]

VOTE: awoo

Feel like this is prob 3 town but I have more concerns about awoo than TSE rn

[Menalque]

It is kind of a weird selection tho

Like I don’t get why you’d put me in when I don’t think I’m ever getting lynched this game

[GuiltyLion]

VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy

Titus, why did you fail to address my comment on your Correspondence assertion?

Spoiler: I disagree with 697.

Incoherence between ideas/behavior is a clue that their thought process is not genuine & more superficial than they want you to believe. Basically they often have to go "bottom-up"

Town looks incoherent but their processes "does exists" they just aren't very clear, its ''top-down'' so you can always investigate the thought process

@Titus; Why do you scumread nEE?

@Suj Which post? I am under intense stress IRL. I'll comment today.

@Joey, I think GL is more genuine. Nee just sounds like he's trying to lynch not himself and keep his options open on me. GL and I ho way back to my noob days. I feel confident in his ability to see I am town

Ok with this post here
Suj/Joey is a TVS.

Usually Scum, at least when I flip scum in my games, will try and involve their mafia member in a conversation but then distance from another.

So the way that this was setup. I feel like 1 of Suj/Joey was @ed just to add conversation with a mafia member while the other is Town.

@TSE - did you notice that Titus is responding to specifically the two questions asked of her above here?

[Menalque]

What are your thoughts on awoo, GL?

[Menalque]

Also I don’t really get your post there

[GuiltyLion]

I think Awoo's a little too cavalier to be scum

I'll wait to explain my post once I get a response from TSE

[GuiltyLion]

also like if Awoo is scum then all that flip-flopping EOD2 when I basically goaded him into voting Titus is really clumsy/awkward associatively and doesn't read like Awoo knew Titus would flip red

[Menalque]

I’ll think about it, idk, I was starting to tr creature before he repped out and I was having doubts about awoo

I would lean this as 3 town tho, bc I think it would be bold for scum to put me in a situation where I have a 50/50 chance of pushing scum after getting titus

So if I’m working on that basis, the most interesting question is actually probably : what does this mean for suji’s alignment?

Specifically, is suji the kind of player to prolong their own death by one day by not putting themselves in the lynch pool (which would be v WIFOMy) or the type of player who realises that on a bigbrain level of makes more sense to put yourself in and roll with it than to not put yourself in and be lynxhed

Or this could be scum trying to set a mislynch for tonorrow. I need to think the game through

[Menalque]

I need to reread Norway too actually

[Menalque]

I think prob the whole team was on wagon yesterday so I’m still leaning doing awoo today bc if we do suji tomorrow then the redflip means the final would be in (joey, norway, GL)

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I still stand by my word that 1 of Joey/Sujimichi Is Mafia.

Also PM flipping town, proves my point further.
Pisskop Flipping Mafia also never makes sense here. Why? Because of this sentence made by Titus: “Hey pisskop! If you quit voting scum, they'll townread you!”

^ I don’t think that’s ever a SvS thing to say.
So Joey’s Scum Reads are absolutely fuckin shit.
They are just what he considers “easy miss Lynch”
Mutant also called Pisskop Town before his Lynch.


I also don’t like Awoo TBH.

This was Mutants Reads:
Awoo - Top Scum
Titus
Norwegianboy
Menalque
Correspondence
Pisskop
Dongempire
Creature
PMysterious
Joey_ - Top Town

Though it changed and Awoo became Town Read so I’m not entirely sure.

I don’t know Joey’s meta. But I’m fairly certain he would play the same regardless of alignment

Another funny thing is. Not only did Titus conform the TVS - Joey/Suj
But on Day 1’s first vote count Titus voted for Joey and guess who else voted with Titus? That’s right! The slot Suj replaced into.

On Second Day 1 Vote Count Suj Slot Votes Titus.

Then kept it on them for the rest of the Day 1.

Joey Voted for PM final Day 1 Vote Count.
Heres who voted for the lynched wagon.
-) Pisskop, Titus, Corre, Mena, Awoo, Nor.

Now going on to Day 2.
Funny part is WHAT DO YOU KNOW Suj’s Slot didn’t vote for Titus the first 3 Vote Counts.
Then it takes till 4 until Suj votes Titus.
Although this is actually Null and not scum as the Slot was inactive for awhile and it can go both ways.
Suj could have voted Titus because scummy.
Or Suj could have voted them because Titus requested them to or to keep the same thing going as the Slot they replaced into.
Meanwhile PM, Joey and Titus have their votes on Nor and I don’t think Titus would ever Buss Nor like that.
So that being said.
I’m voting within Joey/Suj. If I can’t I’m voting no Lynch.

Also here’s my Town Core (Never Lynching)
-) Nor, PK and the one of Joey/Suj that isn’t the mafia.

VOTE: No Lynch

Everyone nominated here is Town almost 100%.
Awoo might be Mafia as I said before but I can use a simple PoE to figure it out.
Also I noticed this setup has no mafia night kill.
Meaning as long as we always keep PK and Nor alive. We win the Game.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy

Titus, why did you fail to address my comment on your Correspondence assertion?

Spoiler: I disagree with 697.

Incoherence between ideas/behavior is a clue that their thought process is not genuine & more superficial than they want you to believe. Basically they often have to go "bottom-up"

Town looks incoherent but their processes "does exists" they just aren't very clear, its ''top-down'' so you can always investigate the thought process

@Titus; Why do you scumread nEE?

@Suj Which post? I am under intense stress IRL. I'll comment today.

@Joey, I think GL is more genuine. Nee just sounds like he's trying to lynch not himself and keep his options open on me. GL and I ho way back to my noob days. I feel confident in his ability to see I am town

Ok with this post here
Suj/Joey is a TVS.

Usually Scum, at least when I flip scum in my games, will try and involve their mafia member in a conversation but then distance from another.

So the way that this was setup. I feel like 1 of Suj/Joey was @ed just to add conversation with a mafia member while the other is Town.

@TSE - did you notice that Titus is responding to specifically the two questions asked of her above here?

Still don’t believe that Joey/Suj isn’t T/S.

I also took a look at the slot you replaced into and I don’t like it all that much.

[Menalque]

If I’m right then that means D4 (6:2) —> lynch awoo (5:2) —> D5 (5:2) —> lynch suji (5:1) —> D6 (5:1) —> lynch town (4:1) —> D7 (4:1) —> lynch joey if green (3:1) —> D8 interesting choice for scum here as to whether to be in lynch pool or not (3:1) —> lynch town (2:1) —> D9 3p lylo choosing between 2 scummy slots with a lot of WIFOM

Okay so it’s not as desirable as I’d hoped to narrow it down to 3 in the case of all town today plus lynching scum tomorrow

[Menalque]

I don’t think we can vote no lynch

chennis, pls confirm

[Menalque]

I don’t love that long post actually

[GuiltyLion]

1. Majority & Plurality lynching will take place.
2. Tiebreakers - I will choose the wagon that reached its most recent peak first. If there are no votes at EoD, I will pick the player who was last unvoted. If nobody has ever voted in the day, I will use the RNG machine. (If you're confused about how a tie will be resolved, please ask.)

no lynch is definitely not possible

[Menalque]

Are you an alt TSE?