Newbie 1961 | Trees II | Over

[skitter30]

and honestly i agree it’s a very bad reasoning to fully base a lynch on. at best it’s NAI (just frustration) but it kinda leans to me as mafia frustrated at being scumread for some dumb reason

Disagree

[skitter30]

Ok i'm caught up:

January is townie but i disagree with most of their conclusions
Suspicious is townie barring having a ridiculous scumrange
Tictac is gutpinging town but i hate the jamelia push
Jamelia is town

Fancy gutpinged me as scum, but that might be a playstyle thing, idk

Vork is null

George is on the scummy side of null, their posts feel affected. Is English your first language

And i'm p sure zenith is just scum so VOTE: zenith

[Zenith]

Actually before we get into point 2, what do you think 'bus' means @zenith?

welcome welcome

don’t really think anything ceejay has done is particularly scummy and

i’d like to at least give skitter a chance to play - can we not vote her today pls

you're clearly misunderstanding what i'm saying... ceejay was completely null. they weren't particularly towny or scummy. the reason people were voting them is because they weren't contributing.

so what i'm saying is to take the votes off the new player so we give them a chance to contribute

, and then determine whether they're town or not. I'm not giving them any more of a pass than I'm giving any of my other nullreads.

Since when does voting for someone prevent them from contributing?

well if they get lynched they can't contribute can they

i'd assume a vote at this point in time is a vote to lynch, so i'd rather not lynch someone who's at best null?

is there any reason you're voting me or is it just an "i don't like what you said" vote

Following the bolded parts, it seems like a bit out a leap. Voting and lynching are not the same thing. Why do you think people vote for their null reads and inactive players?

[Zenith]

And i'm p sure zenith is just scum so VOTE: zenith

I'm not scum.

[skitter30]

and honestly i agree it’s a very bad reasoning to fully base a lynch on. at best it’s NAI (just frustration) but it kinda leans to me as mafia frustrated at being scumread for some dumb reason

Disagree

Cool cool

Let's talk about who you think is

[skitter30]

Also how are you reading tictac?

[skitter30]

Whoops i didnt mean to quote myself in 329, that was meant to be a response to zenith

[january]

thought they were voting for the inactive players because they're a "liability" - isn't what Bailey literally claimed to be doing? (too much effort to find the post he said that but I'm pretty sure he did). in the games of mafia I've played offsite, it's common for people to use mislynch on players who seem like they're not going to contribute or towntell. and usually at this point of the day i don't think voting to pressure is as effective anymore. direct questioning is probably more effective now

also can you respond to the other half of my post too

is there any reason you're voting me or is it just an "i don't like what you said" vote

[Zenith]

Lynching inactive players or null reads is a pretty bad idea, and should be a last resort, done only to prevent a no-lynch if there are no scum reads. Even then, lynching someone for inactivity isn't much better than having a day end in no-lynch. Is much preferable for inactive players to get replaced rather than lynched.

I can't speak for everyone, but voting a null read can be used as a probe to get a better read. Voting an inactive player can be used as a way to attempt changing their behavior, to promote activity and contribution. It should be obvious, but voting isn't always about seriously trying to lynch someone.

[Zenith]

Do you really think scum bus their partners p1?

So if scum were to die in a page 1 RVS wagon, in a newbie game, you wouldn't suspect bussing?

[skitter30]

Sure, but my point is that that never really happens

[skitter30]

Also how are you reading tictac?

@zenith

Also did you say who yoh were scumreading?

[january]

@Zenith hey can you stop only reading half my post its annoying :((

also can you respond to the other half of my post too

is there any reason you're voting me or is it just an "i don't like what you said" vote

[january]

just noticed this post

Honestly I’m so frustrated with your reasoning about why I’m scum that I’d honestly feel more satisfied being lynched and flipping green, with you with an egg on your face than me trying to beg and please about why I’m town.

ok this is how i read this post from Jamelia:
Jamelia is basically assuming that tictac is town with bad reasoning in sentence 1, right? Jamelia wouldn't say they're "frustrated" with mafia's reasoning, he'd just go straight to calling out tictac as mafia.

honestly have no idea what "an egg on your face" is even supposed to imply... is it saying that tictac would be implicating himself as mafia? but Jamelia assumes they're town, so is it just saying that tictac will look stupid - as town?

and then this part:

If you think my lynch is helpful, then go for it. If I’m lynched on D1 or D4, as long as town wins I win. You’ll just be sparing me having to deal with your

pure analysis that is flawed

, and you know it.

once again seems to assume that tictac is town who has flawed analysis. also - what exactly does "you know it" even mean? clearly tictac does not believe his analysis is wrong, so are you calling tictac mafia or not??

Also, "as long as town wins I win" literally reads as "i am town so you should know i'm town" which is completely unnecessary and just... scummy. this part just feels wrong to me

i don't think Jamelia indicated anywhere that they thought tictac was town before this post (if anything, he seemed to imply a scumread). #284 feels like a scumslip calling tictac town

[january]

i'd like someone's thoughts on this ^^ if anyone's online

kinda scared i'm just confirmation-biasing reads now... but it feels right...

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 1.12

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Jamelia

(3): DrDolittle, tictac, january

Zenith

(2): Jamelia, skitter30

january

(2): Vorkuta, Zenith

Not Voting

(2): Suspicious, GeorgeBailey

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-10-26 08:30:00).

Mod notes:

skitter30 is the new ceejayvinoya. DrDolittle is the new FancyPants[/area]

[tictac]

Hello to Skitt and Dolittle

Jamelia is town

A towncase on Jam could be helpful if that's true.
Also what pinged ya in fancy? I thought he was pretty towny.

George is on the scummy side of null, their posts feel affected. Is English your first language

Been putting that down to "Roleplay account"
I'm finnish fyi.

[tictac]

1 day, 20 hours, 13 minutes.
We should seek to consolidate real soon.
Skit should have an opportunity to towncase Jam before lynching Jam, if that's what we gonna do.
Also wanna see doLittle catchup before anything is lynched.

I'm not super opposed to lynching Zen here. Still think Jam is a better option tho.

[tictac]

i'd like someone's thoughts on this ^^ if anyone's online

Basically what I think as well.
Would be very interested in seeing a rebuttal.

[skitter30]

ok this is how i read this post from Jamelia:
Jamelia is basically assuming that tictac is town with bad reasoning in sentence 1, right?

I dont think that sentence implies jamelia thinks tictac is town

[skitter30]

#284 feels like a scumslip calling tictac town

I dont think so

[skitter30]

A towncase on Jam could be helpful if that's true.

-indignation at being tunneled
- confidence that you'll look like ridiculous after he flips (i think it's hard for scum to fake this sort of cockiness, that the person pushing them will look silly upon a townflip knowing that *there won't be a townflip*
- despite pressure resolutely sticking to his pov for things like his original zenith vote. When you pushed him over it he said things along the lines of 'i dont care what you think, that's my position' and i think that's townie

I dont put much weight into your meta case really, and i dont think he's done much scummy either

[skitter30]

Also what pinged ya in fancy? I thought he was pretty towny.

Idk. I think it's thr blusteriness
But that might be a playstyle thing so :shrug:

George's posts feel kinda fake and like forced? Or like he's putting on some kind of appearance that isnt natural? And i sometimes get that vibe from non-native english speakers who might construct a sentences in a way that native speakers might find slightly forced. So this is only really a red flag if he's a native speaker, because that would imply the forced and constructed nature of his posts isnt coming from some nai source, like not being a native speaker

[skitter30]

1 day, 19 hours, 15 minutes.

is it possible to get a day's extension due to two end of phase replacements?

[tictac]

I dont put much weight into your meta case really

et tu skitter?
I moved on from the meta ages ago.