Newbie 1961 | Trees II | Over

[skitter30]

Yes but i read the whole game in an hour and when reading through it seemed like a fairly significant part od your scumread so i mentioned

I actually didnt realize you'd moved on from it at all

[tictac]

As for not seeing something is on L-1.

I didn’t. I worked all last night and I didn’t realize we were on a L-1 on Zenith. That’s my bad.

Spoiler: online times

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Zenith (4): Jamelia, tictac, ceejayvinoya, Suspicious

Last visited:19 Oct 2019, 14:52
Last visited:19 Oct 2019, 18:04

I’m working late tonight but when I get home I’ll post some general thoughts.

u checked the thread at least 3 times after Plots votecount showing the L-1.
I don't believe u were unaware.

this is the biggest point for me.

[skitter30]

He checked the site, not thread, you can't possibly know whether or not he checked the thread without posting here

I can believe he checked the site but didnt check this game at the time

Who was l1 at that point?

[skitter30]

Also i dont like these sort of activity based reads

[tictac]

confidence that you'll look like ridiculous after he flips (i think it's hard for scum to fake this sort of cockiness, that the person pushing them will look silly upon a townflip knowing that *there won't be a townflip*

Like, 'lynch me plz' is a pretty standard scum-strat, but tbh I dunno if it's in Jams range, since he's new.

[tictac]

He checked the site, not thread, you can't possibly know whether or not he checked the thread without posting here

I don't really think it makes sense to look for *proof* of anything on day1. what I look for is *evidence*

I can believe he checked the site but didnt check this game at the time

Who was l1 at that point?

zen

[skitter30]

It's not him saying 'lynch me plz', it's the confidence with which he's telling the person trying to lynch them that they're wrong, coupled with not minding if a flip is necessary to prove them right

I think it's out of his range

[skitter30]

Ok and jamelia not posting while zen is at l1 is significant because ...

[tictac]

because I think Jam is super against things being on L-1.<- this part is meta.

then he said he would have unvoted, which I think is a lie. <-- no longer meta.

[tictac]

I'll think on it. gotta go eat w mom now.

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 1.13

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Jamelia

(3): DrDolittle, tictac, january

Zenith

(2): Jamelia, skitter30

january

(2): Vorkuta, Zenith

Not Voting

(2): Suspicious, GeorgeBailey

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-10-27 08:30:00).

Mod notes:

1 day, 19 hours, 15 minutes.

is it possible to get a day's extension due to two end of phase replacements?

Sure. I have put the new deadline in this votecount. The old votecounts will still show the old time.[/area]

[Plotinus]

Jamelia¹ has been prodded and has (expired on 2019-10-25 08:22:59) to post before I start looking for a replacement.

[tictac]

Ok. I actually think Jam site-flaked :/
Combo of lynch-me-plz and site-flake = two mutually exclusive scum!mindsets.
"trying to fool the town" and "I can't post anymore"
VOTE: Zen

[Vorkuta]

two mutually exclusive scum!mindsets

The first one failed so...

[skitter30]

I dont think they site-flaked

Vork you wanna help me get a read on you?

[Vorkuta]

Sure
Click on the activity overview button

[DrDolittle]

woah woah woah, I believe that takes him to

L-1.

Scary place to be.

I'm gonna unvote to prevent a hammer.

UNVOTE: Suspicious

I believe he's at

L-2

now

pretty awkward unvote, its like gb is trying too hard to be townie

I am also surprised that ya are real-voting already.
Don't get me wrong: I do approve of that.
Just that in yer first newbie ya were really reluctant to vote like ever.

I expect ya to be easy to read once ya start posting, so it's a bit frustrating that ya don't.
I can wait until ya have things to say tho.

not sure i like this reasoning. i think zen is more likely town to push to l-1

Beautiful start.

Anyways, the reason I didn't do an immediate unvote, is because I don't think the others realized we were putting

Suspicious

at L-1/L-2.
Also,

Fancy's

post and mine are 1 minute apart. Gimme slack here.

Zenith's

naked vote against

Suspicious

seemed strange, and I wanna chalk it up to RVS, but the post was barren of any flavour/reasoning/anything.

VOTE: Zenith

I wanna hear from you bud.

isnt that the purpose of rvs?

VOTE: zenith

serious vote for letting the vote get to L-1

eh... lean town on this? for starting an effort to hunt.

Sus's reaction- not that of panic but "gimme a break, ok whats going on?"
RVS pressure gets to people in different ways

Nah
Scum has literally the entire roster to vote during RVS.
Anticipating being RVS voted for having a funny name is one thing, but I see no reason for them to pile up like that.
It's just horribly suboptimal

Also keep in mind that we're still missing a player

i disagree in rvs votes pile up to l-1 all the time, so. its just usually on town because theres more town players

Why did you choose that option over others?

the alternative requires actually putting in effort

Works well for me, nice way out of RVS, been doing it for quite a while, dont see any issues with it (aside from inadvertantly helping put someone at L-1 by page 1)
Also I like my wagons

lean town on this, I quite like this post im not sure why... possibly because i passively agree with vork

[DrDolittle]

gosh tictac reads like some japanese anime adaptation of a country bumpkin and i love it

[tictac]

two mutually exclusive scum!mindsets

The first one failed so...

naw. first one is an active strat, second is a complete failure to play.
I don't think they come from the same person simultaneously like ever.

pedit: lol

[DrDolittle]

I think any vote needs to be looked at carefully. It’s our responsibility to see if someone is about to be on L-1. That vote matters a lot more than putting someone in L-4/3. RVSing just to RVS is fine, but RVSing a wagon to L-1 is either wreckless, scummy or both. I wanted an explanation for it, so I voted for them.

leaning scum here actually. its not acknowledging that the read is a weak read and doubling down. sounds like new scum trying to force a vote.

@jam
u didn't ask for an explanation tho?
I'd also expect ya to be angry/annoyed that an L-1 happened yet I'm not really seeing that.

Why would people be angry that l-1 happened?

I was a bit uncomfy with how fast the votes went onto Suspicious, but I feel like his response to the votes seemed very kneejerk-y with the thing about there being a mafia who voted him. It doesn't seem like a real "read" that comes from actually looking for mafia.
[snip]

seems like he's just trying to justify something. Basically: Bailey voted that way as a random vote, so saying that Bailey is somehow responsible for the wagon doesn't seem like it's a genuine attempt to find maf. seems like he's just trying to fos everyone who voted

i think this makes sense please tell me if it doesn't

Like this is actually a really good read.

@Fancy it’s just how I play, will get more confident later but i don’t see a point of having hard reads at this point of the game already (maybe it’s different for forum mafia games, i’m used to live games)

january might be my top town read rn.

Yeah yeah I saw it, I don't feel like answering it yet tho. It forces a half baked read out of me.

Try again later.

you dont want to answer because you might be scumread? ok

My position is that I voted for Zenith because I wanted to hear why they put Suspicious on L-1. To me, without any context, that decision was scummy.

I’m not answering more questions from you about this.

Why didn't you just ask then? I think the vote is not really in good faith.

Voting for suspicious wasn't a mistake, it was RVS. I intended to put him at L2 but Vorkuta beat me to it by a few seconds. I'm fine with putting someone at L1, though it's probably best done with a disclaimer to notify everyone that they are at L1 and to post intent to hammer before proceeding. Because of the quick unvotes, this wasn't necessary.

I'm fine with leaving my vote where it is for now. Suspicious comes off as fake, which pings my scrumdar.
What's wrong with an early L-1?
If scum were on the wagon, would they be more likely to stay there? Or would they be more likely to unvote for potential town points?

[snip - suspicious quote]

Goes from explaining why concerned over a possible quicklynch to dismissing it as highly unlikely in the same post. Things like this concern me. His play so far feels icky, and doesn't come across as town trying to hunt for scum at all. It feels fake.

[/quote]

I buy the reasoning. I think the lack of attn on the wagon count as a new player also suggests town.
Why do you think sus is fake? I know you quoted smth, but like explain more?

[DrDolittle]

like I guess how do you know its not just rambling and scum indicative, zen

[DrDolittle]

ok i gotta start reading faster

[DrDolittle]

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Tictac 135 anger at no response to question feels a little feigned.
Zen’s OMGUS is so cute it probably is town
Suspicious 172 is a play on semantics. But in general I actually like the aggression from both parties in the end of page 8 start of 9
Tictac’s 206 LOL case on Jam is really ehhhhh. I don’t like it at all!
GB’s 212 is fence-sitting on that case also concerns me.
Oh god the login time tells are probably worse.. Like it’s not bad, it’s more like frowned upon
But I don’t like Jam’s defense on 246 which is “I have no reads”
@zen effort is very AI imo.

[DrDolittle]

crap I totally messed up my post mod please deleate

[DrDolittle]

this is why you shouldn't work and play mafia together