Newbie 1961 | Trees II | Over

[DrDolittle]

Tictac 135 anger at no response to question feels a little feigned.

Zen’s OMGUS is so cute it probably is town

Suspicious 172 is a play on semantics. But in general I actually like the aggression from both parties in the end of page 8 start of 9

Tictac’s 206 LOL case on Jam is really ehhhhh. I don’t like it at all!

GB’s 212 is fence-sitting on that case also concerns me.

Oh god the login time tells are probably worse.. Like it’s not bad, it’s more like frowned upon

But I don’t like Jam’s defense on 246 which is “I have no reads”

@zen effort is very AI imo.

[DrDolittle]

GB’s 301 is bad. It’s much ado about nothing, but in a way that is too scum flowery

Tictac v Jam might have scum in it
Sus v Zenith is prolly TvT

Just based on the last few pages of interaction alone

Uhhhhh
I dont agree with these much at all

mmm

I'm not scum.

towniest post in the game rn

Sure
Click on the activity overview button

yeah vork is town

[DrDolittle]

actually I did a quick summary of tictac's iso, and the progression for all his posts are there, even though individual posts do ping me. regardless Im leaning town there

[DrDolittle]

here's where i am at, I think?

{january, vorkuta}
{Zenith, Tictac}
{skitter, Suspicious}
{jamelia, GeorgeBailey}

[skitter30]

Oh no you might be scum

Talk to me about zenith, please?

[DrDolittle]

funny i was thinking the same
what do you want to talk about

[skitter30]

Why is zenith on the same tier as tictac?

Why might i be scum?

[DrDolittle]

I voted because that's literally the only way to make progress @D1.

Jokes aside, Sus's reaction to said wagon and the follow up interrogation gets him townpoints from me.
But like... come on guys, show a tiny bit of common sense with these questions

What specifically about his reaction makes you give him town points?

If suspicious is scum, I could see him as an easy early bus for easy distance. But the wagon moved pretty fast, so perhaps his partner got scared and backed off?

I dont particularly like this post, for a couple of reasons:

1. I agree with vork that sus had a good reaction to his wagon, so the fact that you dont seem to see it is a little ??? To me

2. Do you really think scum bus their partners p1?

Am liking the recent content from tictac. Think I'll sheep for now and see where this goes.

VOTE: Jamelia
L-2

Oh dear

like out of the posts you highlighted out of zen I don't think any of them are particularly scummy. meanwhile I like his L-1, and the fact that he thought it was L-2... I don't think scum makes that kind of mistakes, and his other posts feel fairly good as well?

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 1.14

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Zenith

(3): Jamelia, skitter30, tictac

january

(2): Vorkuta, Zenith

Jamelia

(2): DrDolittle, january

Not Voting

(2): Suspicious, GeorgeBailey

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-10-27 08:30:00).

Mod notes:

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[DrDolittle]

Why is zenith on the same tier as tictac?

Why might i be scum?

It's mutually exclusive. I town- on zen and tictac.

I think you're scum because some of your reads in your catchup make me go like ???, I don't like your defense case on jam at all, and I think ceejay has scum equity.

[skitter30]

like out of the posts you highlighted out of zen I don't think any of them are particularly scummy. meanwhile I like his L-1, and the fact that he thought it was L-2... I don't think scum makes that kind of mistakes, and his other posts feel fairly good as well?

I didnt higlight everything i didnt like wrt zenith

The sheep was awful:

- no indication of townreading tictac
- no indication of scumreading whoever the vote was on
- tictac's vote was a sudden departure from the major topics of conversation at the time (iirc zenith was getting wagoned?) And instead of engaging with any of that, zenith lolsheeps - it reads like he didnf really know how to interact with what was happening

[skitter30]

Why is zenith on the same tier as tictac?

Why might i be scum?

It's mutually exclusive. I town- on zen and tictac.

I think you're scum because some of your reads in your catchup make me go like ???, I don't like your defense case on jam at all, and I think ceejay has scum equity.

Ok, what parts of my catchup dont you like, why dont you like my read on jam, and why does cj have scum equity?

[DrDolittle]

like out of the posts you highlighted out of zen I don't think any of them are particularly scummy. meanwhile I like his L-1, and the fact that he thought it was L-2... I don't think scum makes that kind of mistakes, and his other posts feel fairly good as well?

I didnt higlight everything i didnt like wrt zenith

The sheep was awful:

- no indication of townreading tictac
- no indication of scumreading whoever the vote was on
- tictac's vote was a sudden departure from the major topics of conversation at the time (iirc zenith was getting wagoned?) And instead of engaging with any of that, zenith lolsheeps - it reads like he didnf really know how to interact with what was happening

are we reading the same post? tictac's 209 was a fairly solid case? I don't see what you are saying here at all.

[skitter30]

that was some kind of brain fart, sorry - i somehow thought it was a vote on someone else, and i'm not sure why i thought that

Either way i dont really like the sheep

[skitter30]

It's oppurtunustic

If zenith is scum neither tictac nor jamelia are

[DrDolittle]

like I think I'm more wary about how much our reads and opinions diverge, its as if we are reading different games. your case of jam is that its town-cocky because they're sure the flip will make X look ridculous. I've seen caught-scum who wants to disengage or freeze up on the spot after being scumread do that all the time. In fact, I've done it. despite your experience you are saying that it is a townread makes me wary

CJ has dodged every question by saying that he doesn't want to answer for fear of shaping opinions on himself. that's scummy.

[DrDolittle]

I can see tictac, but I dont know how you are confident jamelia is town. I think she's more on the scummy side tbh

[DrDolittle]

let's do this
VOTE: GeorgeBailey

Like I'm fairly zen is town. I see a lot of what he's doing which is perceived as scummy as what I did early on as town in the newbie queue back in the days.

[skitter30]

your case of jam is that its town-cocky because they're sure the flip will make X look ridculous

Ok
I disagree

[skitter30]

CJ has dodged every question by saying that he doesn't want to answer for fear of shaping opinions on himself. that's scummy.

I'm p sure that's nai for him, but i'm also in his slot, so :shrug:

[skitter30]

let's do this
VOTE: GeorgeBailey

Like I'm fairly zen is town. I see a lot of what he's doing which is perceived as scummy as what I did early on as town in the newbie queue back in the days.

Ok why is zen town?

[DrDolittle]

A towncase on Jam could be helpful if that's true.

-indignation at being tunneled
- confidence that you'll look like ridiculous after he flips (i think it's hard for scum to fake this sort of cockiness, that the person pushing them will look silly upon a townflip knowing that *there won't be a townflip*
- despite pressure resolutely sticking to his pov for things like his original zenith vote. When you pushed him over it he said things along the lines of 'i dont care what you think, that's my position' and i think that's townie

here's your case on town-skit. its attitude based and player dependent, much less so alignment dependent.

FYI i think resolutely sticking to pov and not listening is clear scum strat. Ico did this to great success in a recent mini.

[DrDolittle]

Ok why is zen town?

i literally said in the post? as well as my previous posts of what has town pinged me?

[skitter30]

meanwhile I like his L-1, and the fact that he thought it was L-2...

This is the main thing that i see in that post beyond 'i dont think his posts are scummy' which is ... not helpful?

I'm not sure why this is townie either

[skitter30]

here's your case on town-skit. its attitude based and player dependent, much less so alignment dependent.

FYI i think resolutely sticking to pov and not listening is clear scum strat. Ico did this to great success in a recent mini.

I mean i think tells are player-dependant, and fair, i've never seen scum!jamelia, but it's more stubborn/sincere/annoyed/frustrated then i think comes from scum. I'm not sure why jamelia's being read as scum frustrated for being pushed and not town frustrated for being pushed

And i dont think that most of the things that have been brought out about them are scummy.

And ok