Open 769: Venrob's PYP X/Y (Town Wins)

[skitter30]

VOTE: Wooper

Scummy rvs vote

[skitter30]

Also flub why are you voting ss rn?

Scum trying to nk a way to out them if they quickhammer

Say this again?

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: Wooper

Scummy rvs vote

In what way?

[skitter30]

I don't think not having quickhammers in lylo is a tiny benefit

It's not the auto I imagined though

Shit

UNVOTE:

I think it's significantly better for town to know if there's a governor than for town to know

Also scum has like the whole game to sort out if there's a governor before lylo, i dont think they need to conspicuously ask avout this on p1 in order to resolve that potential problem in lylo

I'm not sure why this is the motivation that you got out of ss's post, i'm not sure scum really start the game with that intent in particular really? Like it's such a narrow concern that i dont think that's the first thing on their mind when starting the game

[skitter30]

VOTE: Wooper

Scummy rvs vote

In what way?

There were other interesting things to talk about at that point, but you went for the empty rvs vote

[Sujimichi]

You didn't ask my motivations for the vote, or even try to understand. You projected your own thoughts that it was empty. Perhaps I had a reason.

What other interesting things were there to talk about? I didn't feel inclined to weigh in on the Governor claim at that time.

[Sujimichi]

"Governor claim [discussion]"

[skitter30]

Ok, what was your reasoning?

[Flubbernugget]

I don't think not having quickhammers in lylo is a tiny benefit

It's not the auto I imagined though

Shit

UNVOTE:

I think it's significantly better for town to know if there's a governor than for town to know

Also scum has like the whole game to sort out if there's a governor before lylo, i dont think they need to conspicuously ask avout this on p1 in order to resolve that potential problem in lylo

I'm not sure why this is the motivation that you got out of ss's post, i'm not sure scum really start the game with that intent in particular really? Like it's such a narrow concern that i dont think that's the first thing on their mind when starting the game

Hence my unvote

What's the problem here?

[Sujimichi]

Ok, what was your reasoning?

I'd rather not discuss it overtly at the moment, though I think it should be somewhat easily inferred. Happy to discuss a bit further down the road.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Ok, what was your reasoning?

I'd rather not discuss it overtly at the moment, though I think it should be somewhat easily inferred. Happy to discuss a bit further down the road.

Had a minute during my lunch break. God I hate posts like this. I was initially confused by Skitter's post that your RVS was scummy, but the explanation made alot of sense. You then shade Skitt for assuming a scummy motivation rather than asking your reasons. Skitt then asks your reasons and you do this vague appeal to some reasoning that you will provide down the road? What can you possibly gain by holding it back? You're not informed unless you're scum, someone's already talked about the draft numbers. There wasnt a n0 action. Wtf are you talking about here?

VOTE: Suji

[Sujimichi]

Discussing it currently will impact my reasoning in a way that makes it invalid, which I would like to prevent. If you could be a little patient, I will explain (I would like to assume later today or tomorrow at the latest).

Also, I wasn't shading Skitter. My comment on her is completely factual, but I haven't assigned a motivation to it. She still hasn't answered my question about what other interesting topics there were to discuss, however.

[AaronFrost]

Oh shit, Aaron fucking frost is here too. Heya Aaron.

Hey yourself

[AaronFrost]

Draft choice is such huge source of information. With double role pick {8,9,10,11} are able to find out which roles were taken by top players. It's obv that both {9,10} are scum.
VOTE: Aaron

Interesting take. Not entirely sure what you mean here but I guess this begs the question of whether or not scum would be allowed to coordinate their draft picks.

[AaronFrost]

Lol. What for?

You know scum governor getting to LYLO is an instant scum win right?

I almost feel like scum wouldnt have gone for governor because it's such an obviously scummy pick

I don't think anyone would seriously choose 1-shot governor over a joat regardless of alignment.

[Sujimichi]

Draft choice is such huge source of information. With double role pick {8,9,10,11} are able to find out which roles were taken by top players. It's obv that both {9,10} are scum.
VOTE: Aaron

Interesting take. Not entirely sure what you mean here but I guess this begs the question of whether or not scum would be allowed to coordinate their draft picks.

This is explicitly allowed.

Mafia may talk in their QT during the Draft.

[Something_Smart]

I would make a strong case for taking it as scum and claiming JOAT. The only JOAT ability you'd have to explain away would be the vig.

[AaronFrost]

I could see scum taking either ability honestly.

[Sujimichi]

I could see scum taking either ability honestly.

What changed your opinion?

[AaronFrost]

I could see scum taking either ability honestly.

What changed your opinion?

Scum governor in lylo is basically insta-win, so I can see why they would want that. I think they'd be more likely to go for the JOAT though since they'd get more use out of that.

[AaronFrost]

You didn't ask my motivations for the vote, or even try to understand. You projected your own thoughts that it was empty. Perhaps I had a reason.

What other interesting things were there to talk about? I didn't feel inclined to weigh in on the Governor claim at that time.

I get the feeling this implies you know something about the wooperst that the rest of us don't.

[Sujimichi]

I get the feeling this implies you know something about the wooperst that the rest of us don't.

It does not.

[Sujimichi]

I get the feeling this implies you know something about the wooperst that the rest of us don't.

It does not.

Sorry. I can see this being viewed as curt. I do not know something about Wooper that the rest of the player base does not, and I did not intend for my statement to imply such.

[Kerset]

Even if there is a town Governor, i don't believe that he would come out. You created too much pressure about this. Personally i would choose JOAT over Gov, however i would also take 1 as my second draft number. Looking at the fact that barely anyone did it, i am afraid that people here are not meta players.

[Something_Smart]

Yeah, that's a good point. The type of person who would pick governor over JOAT as town is not the type of person who would D1 claim it because I gave a logical argument for why they should.