Open 767: Nomination Mafia [Day 7]

[Menalque]

incidentally I kind of hate being this obviously town because I find it harder to read attempts to buddy me vs genuine TRs on me vs reading people trying to push mislynches on me vs genuine doubts around my slot

[GuiltyLion]

who is flygon, is that TrueSoulEnergy?

[GuiltyLion]

ah yeah that's his Avi lol

Joey how'd you switch from 90% voting Awoo to voting TSE?

[GuiltyLion]

also I really don't think 1141 is a townslip at all

the way TSE has been building his arguments is jank, he just assumes these questionable premises like Suji/Joey is TvS or GL/Awoo is TvS then goes from there, I don't think he's bothered to read the game just ISO'd and looked at VCs

[Joey_]

Lets do some stretch logic

6. Sujimichi

3. NorwegianboyEE
4. GuiltyLion
9. pisskop

1. Awoo
5. TES
7. Menalque


Premises;
Suji is town
Menalque is town
pk/GL are unlikely both mafia
nEE/GL are unlikely both mafia? (from d1 nom, could be all 3 scum for memes tho)

Scenario 1; If we assume pool is all town, then nEE + pk is the only "possibility" --> IMO very unlikely but maybe, both are too passive for a scum team, they don't really influence the game that much. So if either is scum, most likely the other isnt which points to

Scenario 2; If we assume pool is 1 mefia outside 1 mefia inside --> Awoo/TES vs nEE/pk/GL. If either nEE or GL were mefia, it would imply a 2/3 mefia nomination d1 which doesn't seems all that efficient. Tho, Titus did "push" on correspond and the chance she got she ended up on nEE.
This would probably point to the rationale where pk can only be the solo mafia outside the pool otherwise it would be the 2/3 d1 nom scenario (unlikely), so pk would be mefia. From my sheet, the pk/TES slot associatives are pretty bad (absence of content irrc)

Scenario 3: Both mefia inside the pool, not a problem
....

So, if my premises are correct, pk is mafia with either Awoo or TES

[Joey_]

ah yeah that's his Avi lol

Joey how'd you switch from 90% voting Awoo to voting TSE?

The 10% part. Honestly tho when I said 1233 I believed that TES was actually suji for some obscure reason, so 1233 is inaccurate :

The nominees are Awoo, Menalque, and TrueSoulEnergy.

D4 ends in (expired on 2019-11-02 18:52:57).

I am lynching awoo 90% here in those 3

Wait lmao, somehow I forgot TTS is not suji's slot, I am pretty dumb.

you can disregard my 1233 for now. Creature's slot was pretty terrible D1, better D2. In my excel sheet (lel), creature is in both my last most possible scumteams, w/ Creatu/PK & Creat/GL.
The Creat/GL one is lesser tho and is why I didn't post it in my initial pool.

1/3 of my poe scum (creat/GL/pk) along + my paranoia deepwolf (awoo), I am not sure how to feel.

[Joey_]

I've been transparently town the whole game?

From page 5+ something, I voted you then fliped my read pretty quickly

NB: check this

Spoiler:

Fos @ page 7

VOTE: Menalque

Changes of read 2 pages later

I think Menalque randed scum this game D:

Based on ruby? I can see that but you’re wrong this time

VOTE: Jigglypuff

Creature is also very probably town

The post where I am opening up about my reads

I am thinking menalque/creat/awoo are town. Rest is up in the air and i dislike nEE’s tone the most (which is regardless of his shit hammer)

[Menalque]

someone has fucked with this gamestate at some point and once I figure out who it was then we're lynching them

[Joey_]

incidentally I kind of hate being this obviously town because I find it harder to read attempts to buddy me vs genuine TRs on me vs reading people trying to push mislynches on me vs genuine doubts around my slot

lol you thinking I am buddying you?

[Joey_]

I appealed to you even tho you were voting me and I believed I was getting fliped, that's not buddying, that's townreading

[Menalque]

I mean regardless of alignment you have a strong motivation to play to me

as scum it's to buddy me as town it's to try and make me see that you're town so that I don't push you by accident

[Joey_]

I mean regardless of alignment you have a strong motivation to play to me

as scum it's to buddy me as town it's to try and make me see that you're town so that I don't push you by accident

You should actually see it the other way; one of the reason why you are unpushable is because you are very openly townread by town, they know I won't let it pass & I am pretty vocal

[Menalque]

someone has fucked with this gamestate at some point and once I figure out who it was then we're lynching them

tbh I think this is the key to the game and it's something I think I'm fairly good at, but I'm gonna need to read through again, maybe from scratch but at least from after Titus!flip to see who's behind it

like I don't think I'm feeling this confused about where the scum is after Titus flipping unless scum has been intentionally putting effort in to fuck things up

which, incidentally, is quite a good reason to be town leaning pk now I think about it

[Joey_]

I will get pushed first because I townread you, not the other way around, not in the same degree anyway

[Menalque]

okay joey, humour me, who is responsible for fucking up the gamestate here?

[Joey_]

okay joey, humour me, who is responsible for fucking up the gamestate here?

The only slots personality wise, i feel could "fuck up a gamestate" is you, pk, awoo. In those three I would pick awoo

[Menalque]

okay so talk me through what you're understanding by fuck up a gamestate and why you think it's only us 3 who could do it

[Menalque]

cause I kinda think you could and might have been but like I said it'd take reading through to actually figure it out and I'm prob not doing that tonight

[Joey_]

Id say, voluntarily manipulating associatives and planned scum theater. Titus is also someone I consider does that btw, i didnt inclued her since she ded.
Id say you need experience & charisma (good tone) to be deceiving on theather, which points to yall 3 (including me but i am town dw)

[Menalque]

I think that's more how it's done but more or less

I think fucked up gamestate for me means hard to actually have any town reads/unsure who's manipulating me and who's being genuine in interacting with me

and like this game went from me having solid-ish reads to me really having no idea who's town/scum other than I think rn that pk is more likely town than scum

[Joey_]

I assure you that I am town & my read on suji is rock solid

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Either I'm right about suji and I'm getting "nightkilled" for that (more likely)

Why are you so sure about Suji?

TBH. Its Guilty 1 of Lion/Awoo and 1 of Suji/Joey

If I had to guess.
It’s Lion and Suji.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I assure you that I am town & my read on suji is rock solid

Not sure why you town read them at all.
They were never slipped Town by triton.
But Nor and PK was.
So like. Can you not lose this for Town because your too in love with Suji to call then Town? TY.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Scum*

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Yeah re-reading.
Unless Awoo is a risk taker.
Lion and Suji are the mafia here.