Open 769: Venrob's PYP X/Y (Town Wins)

[skitter30]

Scum have intentionally collided in previous PYP games if memory serves me right.

really? i feel like it's ridiculously suboptimal as scum

[skitter30]

nom you feel weird rn

[skitter30]

I can get behind this.
VOTE: S_S

do you agree with ss being obvious scum or ... ?
if yes why is he obvious scum?

[Sirfetchd]

Scum have intentionally collided in previous PYP games if memory serves me right.

really? i feel like it's ridiculously suboptimal as scum

Looking at the way the draft worked out I wouldn't call it too bad tbh. I don't want to really put 2c in yet but I would expect it more likely than unlikely.

[skitter30]

Why is Something_Smart obvious scum (The fact that I have to ask that question means it likely isn't obvious, so let's just go with "Why is Something_Smart scum")?

Because S_S doesn't like scum and is honestly not the best at it. Sure, he's decent but he's no god. The thing S_S is gonna do here is instantly go into mech talk because mech talk is the most simple thing you can do to try and appear busy when really you're not. It's not helping and something I can see scum him going for right away. He's made one townread for 'a stupid reason' but that's it and doesn't go into more detail. Really, we should drop this and force people to play. Anyone regardless of your alignment or how bad you are can talk mech. Not everyone can be decent at mafia. Let's force people to play the game

this is ... probably wrong the wrong approach to reading him but probably townie anyways

[skitter30]

But in hindsight skitter really is working against 'more info early day 1' which seems a little bit of busywork.

I'm not going to ask for claims however, I have issues with the fact that I got my first choice and was not 1st or 2nd. Going to need some serious reasoning from people on why their choices were town motivated from the two above me.

bolded: idk what you mean by this
second paragraph: rolefishing much, are you?

[skitter30]

VOTE: Wooper

Scummy rvs vote

If you think its scummy why'd you keep your vote on your random target?

VOTE: Skitter

Solid point actually.

again, you realize he went from voting suji for having a bad reaction to my vote to voting me for making it

also i realized i didn't answer billy's question earlier: idk i sometimes take a while to move my vote out of rvs

[skitter30]

I didnt even realize this wasnt the original x|y until i asked why we had to give in a second number and the mod was like '... because that's what the setup is' with a faint note of exasperation

Do not quote mod messages.

whoops, sorry, thought i was paraphrasing

[skitter30]

VOTE: Nomx3

I don’t like her setup spec at all, and then sheeping the SS vote after the setup spec nonsense got called out doesn’t feel very nice. I also didn’t like her response to Frost’s vote.

agree

Glancing through the thread I don’t feel great about Skitter either. I think frost is Town atm. Flubber seems Town as well. Null on everyone else atm.

Oh yeah, slight scumread on Suj as well.

do tell on all 4 of these ^

[skitter30]

The setup spec discussion is flying a bit over my head, I'll be honest

So you think this is a lie, and that they were just waiting for an opportunity to jump in?

Bc everything after this looks like trying to have some sort of voice given that people were refusing to drop setup discussion.

i feel like she's purposefully laying low which is not what i'm used to from her
and i agree that the sheep was weird

[Sirfetchd]

But in hindsight skitter really is working against 'more info early day 1' which seems a little bit of busywork.

I'm not going to ask for claims however, I have issues with the fact that I got my first choice and was not 1st or 2nd. Going to need some serious reasoning from people on why their choices were town motivated from the two above me.

bolded: idk what you mean by this
second paragraph: rolefishing much, are you?

I mean stifling discussion is antitown.
No, but I want strong reasoning from them as to why I got my first choice being after them when it comes time to do claims.

[skitter30]

wtf is a deepwolf?

someone who can play scum well and get widely townread and is expected/set up to make endgame

is this like a new term? i feel like this has been asked a lot recently

also i think luca came out better than you in your spat with him

[skitter30]

Unless you were trying to reaction test him in some way, i'm not sure what you were going for there

It was actually to see how the wagon built as he was the largest (though not by a large amount, which was part of the draw) at the time. That ultimately did not work out, so I don't mind disclosing at this point.

yeah this is kinda why i read it as oppurtunistic, and why it kinda fit that scumtell i was talking about early
not sure if scum are so forthright about admitting their reasoning like this tho ^

[skitter30]

the game has started to move out of rvs

Can you clarify how you define this?

when people stop just making greetings and random votes based on things like username, and when discussion starts happening

[Something_Smart]

Vork literally did this in Haunted Village. You were in that game. I know you replaced in after all the early setup spec, but yeah, it happened.

Okay, when I ask the question "is that a thing people do?" I should start appending "other than Vork." Dude plays like he's from another planet, especially as scum. He lives off of dumbtelling and derpclearing himself.

It's not a normal thing. Setup spec is not how you deepwolf, least of all me, who has no deepwolf mode to begin with. I, like most people, setup spec because I find it important to talk about the setup, and I've clearly thought harder about it than most people given that 12/14 players didn't pick 1 as their second number.

[skitter30]

I don't know why but I'm getting strong town vibes from Sirfetchd

no

[skitter30]

But in hindsight skitter really is working against 'more info early day 1' which seems a little bit of busywork.

I'm not going to ask for claims however, I have issues with the fact that I got my first choice and was not 1st or 2nd. Going to need some serious reasoning from people on why their choices were town motivated from the two above me.

bolded: idk what you mean by this
second paragraph: rolefishing much, are you?

I mean stifling discussion is antitown.
No, but I want strong reasoning from them as to why I got my first choice being after them when it comes time to do claims.

i wasn't stifling discussion? where do you think i was doing that?

[Something_Smart]

Oh yeah this is a good idea too, but that player would probably have to be very confident and believe that they're likely to be alive in lylo

They just have to not get vigged; using the governor when getting lynched is still a huge boon to scum.

[skitter30]

i am caught up!

VOTE: billy

this weekend is going to be kinda crazy, and i have weekend vla ... so not sure when i'll be here next, hopefully saturday night

[Something_Smart]

I agree that there are better things we could be doing right now than setup spec

It's a false dichotomy anyway. It's not as though we have a limit on how much we can post; that's the beauty of forum mafia. We can carry on as many simultaneous conversations as we want to.

[Sujimichi]

I've clearly thought harder about it than most people given that 12/14 players didn't pick 1 as their second number.

This isn't an accurate statement given you don't know the goals of all of the players when picking their numbers.

[Something_Smart]

I think Kerset is town for a really dumb reason.

do tell

100

[Sujimichi]

Unless you were trying to reaction test him in some way, i'm not sure what you were going for there

It was actually to see how the wagon built as he was the largest (though not by a large amount, which was part of the draw) at the time. That ultimately did not work out, so I don't mind disclosing at this point.

yeah this is kinda why i read it as oppurtunistic, and why it kinda fit that scumtell i was talking about early
not sure if scum are so forthright about admitting their reasoning like this tho ^

I'm not sure why this would be a scumtell.

[Something_Smart]

really? i feel like it's ridiculously suboptimal as scum

The advantage from WIFOM is almost tautologically proportional to the harm it causes them.

[Sujimichi]

the game has started to move out of rvs

Can you clarify how you define this?

when people stop just making greetings and random votes based on things like username, and when discussion starts happening

I think you are projecting your observation of the gamestate to others rather than understanding their own. If someone comes into a game with content that they were not a part of, nor they have made themselves, why are they assumed to have to delve straight into said content rather than participate in a manner that allows them to acclimate to the game.