Newbie 1961 | Trees II | Over

[Jamelia]

I apologize for my non-notified V/LA. I had some emergency personal
problems happen IRL. I think you can tell by my pointed/harsh posts before I left that something was going on.

A) i hope everything is ok!!!
B) ok then the confidence/tone thing i was townreading you for before is probably less ai

It is. I think mentally I was getting very burnt out with work, studying etc. But. Back to normal and enjoying these games!

And yeah. Honestly at that point I was sincerely hoping I would be lynched so I can be out of the game. I wanted to prove someone wrong about things I still find ridiculous (website activity) but I’d much rather be helpful today and probably get night killed or something. Lol

[DrDolittle]

sorry i have to bounce but can engage more tonight/tomorrow

[Zenith]

What do you mean by "no indication of townreading tictac"? It's right there plainly visible in the same post as my sheep vote, so I don't see how you could miss it.

Am liking the recent content from tictac. Think I'll sheep for now and see where this goes.

VOTE: Jamelia
L-2

I meant no indication before that post

My read of tictac was more null before the recent activity I mentioned in that post.

[Suspicious]

Not a fan of Zen, but I agree with the sentiment that our back-and-forth going without any commentary/interruption is pretty telling. Unless the strategy was to wait/hope for things to simmer down, Zen got left out to dry. I don't think a partner allows their other half to do that, and Zen's looking like a bail-out vote.

Suspicious did you say how much mafia experience you have?

~5 years or so I guess, in-person and forum. I've only now started getting back into it, so I am new to the site.

[Zenith]

I haven't been sick in years, but this is really kicking my ass. Body aching, weak, can barely move to bathroom and back, off and on mild to moderate fever, feel both too hot and too cold at the same time, intermittent headaches, need to blow my nose but I'm scared of causing another nose bleed, and my lungs are jacked up in a way that breathing normally I sound kind of like a purring cat.. It's kind of driving me crazy.

Anyways, hopefully this doesn't last too much longer. I expect if I'm feeling better I'll be a better scumhunter D2. Would be nice to have some flips to work with. Right now it's kind of difficult to think clearly.

[skitter30]

What do you mean by "no indication of townreading tictac"? It's right there plainly visible in the same post as my sheep vote, so I don't see how you could miss it.

Am liking the recent content from tictac. Think I'll sheep for now and see where this goes.

VOTE: Jamelia
L-2

I meant no indication before that post

My read of tictac was more null before the recent activity I mentioned in that post.

that's my point

[skitter30]

~5 years or so I guess, in-person and forum. I've only now started getting back into it, so I am new to the site.

how good would you rank your scumgame?

[skitter30]

@zenith i hope you feel better!!!

@ddl: those are actually p good posts
also i'd feel bad lynching someone that sick who couldn't respond well so

VOTE: george

[january]

so much to read ahhh i have a midterm tomorrow to study for but i promise i'll do more tomorrow hopefully the day isn't over by then

i skimmed and got most of the content
meh on everyone backing off of jamelia - don't feel like they've towntold to warrant the backing-off besides the very AtE post in response to tictac. feel like new players are more than capable of faking indignant posts as a way to "towntell" (@whoever said new players probably wouldn't fake that)

dunno who else i'd be willing to vote atm but i'll figure that out tomorrow sorry

[january]

Jamelia never presented reads outside of being uneasy regarding your slot being new yet speaking as a veteran--which was cleared up when you clarified your prior experience--and scum-leaning Zen. Per their own admission, they didn't have many reads to give on any situations and the tunnel by tictac dissuaded them from pursuing anything; they became locked in on trying to defend themselves.

It looks more like, in #338, you're digging to make things crop up so Jamelia is locked as the lynch today. They haven't implied tic as scum or town previously, and if anything the implication here is that Jamelia is giving them a town pass; they claim tic's arguments are off-base, even though they could be coming from a town POV, and they'll look poor in hindsight for following through. Town/mafia alike can get bad looks for lynches that go poorly, so I don't know why you seem to imply it's a scum-exclusive remark to make.

i felt like it was strange for jamelia to be giving tictac a townpass there without even explaining it - like i would have expected it accompanied with an "i hate you tunneling me but i think you're town" type of message. i would think normally if i got tunneled really hard by someone i wouldn't just assume they were town. i'm aware that "bad look" can also apply to mafia but the way Jamelia was saying it didn't sound like they were calling tictac mafia ever.

i said this already -

if jamelia thought tictac was mafia they would have said that explicitly

^that's why i'm pretty sure jamelia thinks tictac is town from that post^

and yeah i kind of am trying to dig for things to get Jamelia lynched - because i scumread them? i genuinely think jamelia is the best lynch here right now and i'm trying to convince everyone else (which i guess isn't working lol)

[january]

w/r/t #284, the ending bit there probably refers to tic's login time argument, which Jamelia has been vocally against. It's shaky ground to stand on and I agree it's poor basis for an argument, and it noticeably brings a lot of frustration out of Jam. I don't think scum collapses this easily, basically taunts town by saying they'll look stupid, then exits the site.

-"exits the site" part is NAI
-don't think this is as much of scum collapsing as it is trying to sound like frustrated town and overcompensating and now sounding like they're mad at tictac for having that reasoning instead of being mad at tictac for scumreading them
i've seen this before, where scum gets mad at being caught/fossed/lynched for a stupid reason when they think they've been towny. (usually with more experienced players, sure but i think its possible with a tiny bit of coaching from scumpartner)

And I understand that this is still nitpicky, but every time you make these disclaimers it pings me the wrong way. I don't think you can call out anyone for not confidently stating a read when all of yours come with safeguards attached.

um did i call out someone for not having confident reads and forgot about doing it or something

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 1.16

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Zenith

(2): tictac, GeorgeBailey

january

(2): Vorkuta, Zenith

GeorgeBailey

(2): DrDolittle, skitter30

Jamelia

(1): january

Not Voting

(2): Suspicious, Jamelia

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-10-27 08:30:00).

Mod notes:

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[tictac]

Welcome back Jamelia.
Ya had me scared that I'd driven ya offsite for a bit.
Glad that didn't happen.

VOTE: Jamelia

[tictac]

I keep forgetting to post about the existence of post-tags
They exist.

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[january]

well this vote is very split lol

does either person voting me have any reason behind the vote or are they both still votes for pressure even though we're at a point where we should be actually voting to lynch

@Vorkuta
@Zenith

[tictac]

About Bailey.
I do get info-pings from him and there's a focus on presentation I really don't like.
On the other hand I do think him being constantly confused about things is more of a town trait.
Like thinking I'm pushing Jam on pure meta or this:

Still Eyeing Zenith, I'll vote based off the answer of Suspicious's recent post. I think L-2 is a good position for him now.

Zen was at L-3

pedit: 100% agree

[Vorkuta]

does either person voting me have any reason behind the vote or are they both still votes for pressure even though we're at a point where we should be actually voting to lynch

Yeah- posts like these.
I'll consolidate when/if necessary, but no

[tictac]

yea CFD always such a good idea /s

[Suspicious]

~5 years or so I guess, in-person and forum. I've only now started getting back into it, so I am new to the site.

how good would you rank your scumgame?

I have no clue. You tell me.

Jamelia never presented reads outside of being uneasy regarding your slot being new yet speaking as a veteran--which was cleared up when you clarified your prior experience--and scum-leaning Zen. Per their own admission, they didn't have many reads to give on any situations and the tunnel by tictac dissuaded them from pursuing anything; they became locked in on trying to defend themselves.

It looks more like, in #338, you're digging to make things crop up so Jamelia is locked as the lynch today. They haven't implied tic as scum or town previously, and if anything the implication here is that Jamelia is giving them a town pass; they claim tic's arguments are off-base, even though they could be coming from a town POV, and they'll look poor in hindsight for following through. Town/mafia alike can get bad looks for lynches that go poorly, so I don't know why you seem to imply it's a scum-exclusive remark to make.

i felt like it was strange for jamelia to be giving tictac a townpass there without even explaining it - like i would have expected it accompanied with an "i hate you tunneling me but i think you're town" type of message. i would think normally if i got tunneled really hard by someone i wouldn't just assume they were town. i'm aware that "bad look" can also apply to mafia but the way Jamelia was saying it didn't sound like they were calling tictac mafia ever.

i said this already -

if jamelia thought tictac was mafia they would have said that explicitly

^that's why i'm pretty sure jamelia thinks tictac is town from that post^

and yeah i kind of am trying to dig for things to get Jamelia lynched - because i scumread them? i genuinely think jamelia is the best lynch here right now and i'm trying to convince everyone else (which i guess isn't working lol)

Not sure I understand what you're getting at here; I understand Jam is giving tic a town pass. Town can get tunneled just like mafia, so it's reasonable to believe another town would recognize they were being tunneled by a fellow town.

And you asked for opinions, stating you were worried about confirmation bias. That was my response saying that you are, in fact, digging into things that suit your narrative. Was that not what you wanted?

w/r/t #284, the ending bit there probably refers to tic's login time argument, which Jamelia has been vocally against. It's shaky ground to stand on and I agree it's poor basis for an argument, and it noticeably brings a lot of frustration out of Jam. I don't think scum collapses this easily, basically taunts town by saying they'll look stupid, then exits the site.

-"exits the site" part is NAI
-don't think this is as much of scum collapsing as it is trying to sound like frustrated town and overcompensating and now sounding like they're mad at tictac for having that reasoning instead of being mad at tictac for scumreading them
i've seen this before, where scum gets mad at being caught/fossed/lynched for a stupid reason when they think they've been towny. (usually with more experienced players, sure but i think its possible with a tiny bit of coaching from scumpartner)

And I understand that this is still nitpicky, but every time you make these disclaimers it pings me the wrong way. I don't think you can call out anyone for not confidently stating a read when all of yours come with safeguards attached.

um did i call out someone for not having confident reads and forgot about doing it or something

Part of your push on Jam is that they haven't passed any reads/did not confidently read tic as either scum or town. You also did much the same at the start of the game in #83 when you questioned Suspy's vote on Bailey, stating it was a weak/baseless read, which ignored the actual reasoning provided. And, for what it's worth, all I can gather from your own reads are a scumlean on Suspy, townlean on Zenith, and scumread on Jam, with a potential side of Vork.

[tictac]

@susp I dunno what ya think ya doing w the jan push.
Near-zero chance she's gonna get lynched today so seems kinda pointless atm.
Unless chainsawing for Jam, in which case carry on.

[Suspicious]

@susp I dunno what ya think ya doing w the jan push.
Near-zero chance she's gonna get lynched today so seems kinda pointless atm.
Unless chainsawing for Jam, in which case carry on.

Near-zero chance, yet voting is tied across the board at 2 apiece for 4 different options.

If I sense something worth investigating/pushing, that's what I'll do until I'm satisfied. I don't like leaving things as they are until the next day; I want to get to them when I see them, especially considering survival into the next day is never guaranteed.

Once the day ticks down, I'd prefer to consolidate onto Bailey, who is my frontrunner scumread at the moment; it's the general info-but-no-analysis posting. Despite being questioned, there's never a sense of actual investigation going on, and the stances taken are very observational in nature/the pushes constructed are weak in terms of pressure.

[skitter30]

and there's a focus on presentation I really don't like.

This is the part of bailey i dont like

[skitter30]

I have no clue. You tell me.

I mean you say you have several years of experience so ... you dont have a sense of how good your scumgame is?

[skitter30]

I dont much like suspicious, actually, the more i think about it

[Suspicious]

I hope it's for a better reason outside of me not wanting to answer a typical trap question.