Newbie 1961 | Trees II | Over

[Suspicious]

Thank you, it's high-effort.

[Vorkuta]

it’s because i asked him why he’s voting me??

yes
on top of a ping here and there, I hate your reaction to your own wagon.
such concern and self-consciousness comes from scum more often than town

[january]

Part of your push on Jam is that they haven't passed any reads/did not confidently read tic as either scum or town.

I think you’re misreading every single thing i’ve said lol

i’m not pushing on jamelia for not having reads

i’m pushing on jamelia for seemingly townreading tictac - we both agree that jamelia was giving tictac a “townpass” in that one post, right?

i’m saying jamelia is scum because they townread tictac for no reason.

i brought up jamelia having no previous reads to support my argument that Jamelia has no reason to townread tictac

jamelia assumes the person with “bad logic” tunneling her is town - why? because he’s mafia

does this finally make sense to you or are you just trying to sound dense

When did I townread Tictac and give them a pass? I said they’re going to have an egg on their face when I get lynched and flip green. Whether they’re town/mafia doesn’t matter in this scenario. If they’re town, they’re going to look dumb for hard lynching someone who isn’t mafia. If THEY’RE mafia, they’re going to look bad for hard lynching me and an unnecessary target on their back.

Regardless. If they’re town and I get lynched, they’re gonna blame ME for “not being a cooperative town”, and won’t see why their analysis of me is dreadfully flawed. At this point nothing is going to change in my opinion.

I’m still trying to figure out who I’m personally leaning toward. I need to analyze this more

ok hey maybe you’re just really bad at responding to pressure lol

so can you clarify your stance on tictac? because if you were getting pushed by someone who you think is mafia, do you think you’d respond like you did?

cuz i definitely wouldn’t. if i was getting tunneled by mafia (see example: suspicious) i wouldn’t be going and telling him that he has bad logic and not even say i scumread him

how bout u be a little less reactive and tell us who you’d be willing to lynch right now

[january]

wow... trying not to get lynched is a very scum-indicative action...
you got me...

[january]

think: would a town want to get lynched? if they think they’re literally one of the most towny players at this table?

correct answer is no btw

[Suspicious]

You've caught me, this is my blazing scumtell. Gosh darn, I though I had ya.

[january]

wow! are you claiming mafia too!

hi there partner

[Vorkuta]

wow thank you for breaking it down for me like I'm 5

Town has more emphasis on either building a town block and scum hunting. Scum is more worried about staying alive, which is what I think you're more concerned about atm.
(and yes- feel free to misinterpret what I'm saying as "town should take getting lynched lying down with no resistance whatsoever")

Like it's pretty obvious that I'm skimming through the game and replying to the parts that interest me. The fact that it "registered" in my mind that you're more than overly self-aware of the wagon on you is the tell.
Other people have shitty arguments and shitty pushes, but I'll need flips to say more definitively.

[Vorkuta]

either .... and ....

such english, much grammar

[Suspicious]

I play these games specifically to be ignored and insulted, makes the experience very entertaining.

[january]

eh ok i’ll stop pretending i’m misunderstanding your argument lol
it’s just annoying as fk and i’m annoyed

sure i acknowledge that mafia is often aware of and concerned about a wagon on them but that’s usually more significant earlier in the day when votes are more for pressure

right now any vote that’s up SHOULD be for the sake of lynching. and i really really don’t think i’m the scummiest player at this table so i’m a bit confused why you want to flip me first even if you agree that other people are scummy

[january]

I play these games specifically to be ignored and insulted, makes the experience very entertaining.

wow isn’t it great right
you should try live chat mafia if you haven’t before

it’s even worse

[Vorkuta]

January

this is literally my case against you

why the fuck would/do you care about the opinions of someone who has done jack shit/lurked/prodged this game?

[january]

are you talking about yourself

[Vorkuta]

someone who has done jack shit/lurked/prodged this game?

sounds like me

[january]

if so then

i’m not comfy with 3 votes on me and my biggest scumread not voting yet

that could put me at L-1 and bailey is somewhat unpredictable to me

and i don’t want to be lynched

so i’m talking to you since you’re actually responding to me lol

[Suspicious]

I made my case against jan, so this is not entirely baseless. The insulting tired me and it's the exact same tactic Zenith used. And it's pinging me here for the same reason. Deny argument into insult is an easy scum strat.

If consolidating on jan isn't agreed on, consolidation should be on Bailey.

[january]

and you seem like you’re actually able to be reasoned with

so even if you’re scum i can reason with you

and if you refuse to listen to my logo (which in my completely unbiased opinion is very Sound Logic) then i can challenge you for it

whereas Zenith isn’t responding at all, so there isn’t anything i can do to challenge him atm until he comes back
and suspicious is playing off his lynch as an ego lynch which means he’s gonna refuse to listen to logic whether he’s town or maf

[january]

looool consolidating on me good luck dude

sorry where have i even insulted you besides calling your lynch ego lynch and saying you’re annoying me

[GeorgeBailey]

VOTE: january
Trial by fire works best IMHO

I don't really trust the wagon on January right now. Vork's reason is how badly Jan reacted to her own wagon. Shouldn't town be scared of being voted off D1? Shitty way to end a game so fast. Maf and Town should both be scared of being lynched, and Zenith's reason...

Ok..
VOTE: january

Is because Jan didn't want people voting CJ because he didn't do anything particularly scummy?
Suspicious's reason is...

VOTE: january

How am I doing, chief?

Sounds like a frustration/reaction post. Reaction from Jan tunneling Jamelia, and frusteration after Jan called him dense. The only valid reason I see is from the constant tunneling.
and from:

good for you! you guessed my reads congrats!

Like, come on. Your reads aren't super obvious.

As for Jam...

this is the biggest point for me.

What if he stayed on Zenith? Would that earn him any town points? Why are you only holding Jam accountable for this? Seemed like a "Woah wait, I want a little more information first" unvote.

if jamelia thought tictac was mafia they would have said that explicitly

i’m saying jamelia is scum because they townread tictac for no reason.

But people can have null reads. Especially since the conversation has been mostly revolved around two wagons.

Because they're the towniest person in this game rn ...

Why is Jan the towniest?

I'm thinking Skitter right now.

Mostly from 480

1. Sus definitely wasn't defending him. and he's right, Zenith would have a scum buddy to defend him, and be vocal about it. The fact that no one really cared was discerning.
2. Town reading Jan for no reason I can find.

Voting him back seems a bit ridiculous.

The reasons you mention are: 315, 326,469 which are mostly "I think Jan is town.".

VOTE: skitter30

[Vorkuta]

i’m not comfy with 3 votes on me

You're not even 'kneejerk' reacting by calling me scum, (and heaven knows I've given people loads of opportunities to do so)- just the casual "hey why are you still voting me, can you not, kthnx?"
Which suggests really strongly to me that you're just more interested in making it to D2 than... yeah

As for "comfy"- rest assured that anyone who lol!quickhammers under false/shady pretenses will be put through hell and examined quite harshly under a microscope (especially considering this player cast)

Add that to my impression that some of your posts designed just to stir the pot without solid contributions and have the true intent of spreading chaos and I think I have a scumcase.

Oh look I'm even sharing it

which in my completely unbiased opinion is very Sound Logic

The logic is sound
The premises from which you're basing the said logic are not.

[january]

clarifying #517:
vorkuta seems reasonable. i’m trying to appeal to him and if i feel like he’s blatantly ignoring my appeal and not considering it at all, i’m going to say he’s mafia. i’m not saying he’s maf if he doesn’t agree with my appeal but if he’s clearly making no effort to listen then he’s not genuinely looking for mafia

so far feels like he’s actually responding

[Vorkuta]

@bailey

I sincerely doubt that your skitter push is going to happen today.
Bring that up tomorrow maybe

[january]

well hello george
way to split the vote even more

gonna go run some errands i’ll be back in a bit

unvoting for now i think there’s a chance jam might be just a town crumbling under pressure, gonna give them a chance to respond and make decision later

UNVOTE:

[january]

sorry tictac i’ll give you back your bunny

but in all seriousness we need to agree on a vote soon i’m gonna hate you all if we end up nolynching