Open 767: Nomination Mafia [Day 7]

[pisskop]

The fact that I have to press so hard for simple answers is ridiculous.

I do not know why he is not answering. Probably for the same reasons you keep asking: its a social jockeying for power.

Pedant may be the wrong idea . . . youre allowing this one point to be your crux instead of moving on. Each player alive rn is pursuing a different strat, and we arent moving foreward.

I think that Truesoul is townish. call me biased towards him for TRing me if you please, but look at the level of analysis and look at what he has on the line defending me. Would a scum do this, do you think?

[pisskop]

iirc his lynch is impending today, isnt it? Why would he keep pushing this line about me? unless you think we could be partners? Do you?

[Sujimichi]

Probably for the same reasons you keep asking: its a social jockeying for power.

This is incorrect. I ask because I want to understand his reasoning and motivation so that I can understand his alignment.

youre allowing this one point to be your crux instead of moving on.

Becuase, while others speak and respond so that I can understand them, he does not.

but look at the level of analysis and look at what he has on the line defending me. Would a scum do this, do you think?

I honestly do not understand any of his "analysis" and find it suspect that someone can claim to. So, yes. I think scum would do this.

unless you think we could be partners? Do you?

I have been fairly transparent that you are in my scum reads.

[pisskop]

I honestly do not understand any of his "analysis" and find it suspect that someone can claim to. So, yes. I think scum would do this.

You do not have to understand it or agree with it. But look at the depth at which he is looking.

He has combed Titus' iso for association tells. He's making an argument that I cannot be scum based on how Titus treated me. That's not beginner play, and its not an easy play to make when you are scum. Because it has to be real, or coincidentally apparent. The whole idea of scum theatre is about scum faking these interactions - its a crucial skill because its so hard to do.

Using these cues to hunt for town -not scum but town- is a huge indication that somebody is liklier to be town because scum dont like to clear names and scum cant fake it easily.

[Joey_]

If you end up feeling really strongly that it should be awoo > TSE today I’ll listen but I think that awoo’s play on D2 was absolutely instrumental in getting the titus lynch through when it would have been entirely possible for him to push Norway there instead of titus and I don’t think that would have brought any negative attention to him really

It’s just pro town enough that even with my concerns around him since then, and a couple of things I noticed about D1 on rereading, he still imo shouldn’t be the lynch here given that D2 push on titus

This, I reread D1 and some things stands out; his comment about mutant slipping was pretty much textbook scumassist on that flip.

Also his dischotomy about PM and myself D2 was pretty terrible especially considering PM was green

[pisskop]

The depth of play from Truesoul is indicative of town.

Compare it to Melan's or [and i have not read his] Awoo's. is it the same? Melan is pushing an action plan that is calling for several lynches, but I dont see nearly the same level of justification nor depth of thought coming from him. His play isnt up to par with Truesoul's. And I consider him to be a good enough player to produce this level of content if he wanted to.

[pisskop]

I mean, I win no matter what you do, suji.

If you lynch Truesoul and he flips green, it lends credence to his claim about me.
If you lynch Truesoul and he flips red, all he did was spend his own more valuable life to get a townie killed.
If you lynch elsewhere, that means I've already influenced y,u enough.

Win/Win/Win

[Joey_]

Had a crazy thought.
What if Mafia decided to wagon them all Day 2.
Meaning Lion and Nor would be Mafia
Not Lion and Suji.
So furthermore, we always Lynch Lion tomorrow.

Lol I just deepwolfed the hell out of this game it was sick

This is always Town.
Although as I stated before. Everyone on this wagon is Town.

I totally disagree, this line reminds me of my own cocky scum play

[Sujimichi]

I honestly do not understand any of his "analysis" and find it suspect that someone can claim to. So, yes. I think scum would do this.

You do not have to understand it or agree with it. But look at the depth at which he is looking.

He has combed Titus' iso for association tells. He's making an argument that I cannot be scum based on how Titus treated me. That's not beginner play, and its not an easy play to make when you are scum. Because it has to be real, or coincidentally apparent. The whole idea of scum theatre is about scum faking these interactions - its a crucial skill because its so hard to do.

Using these cues to hunt for town -not scum but town- is a huge indication that somebody is liklier to be town because scum dont like to clear names and scum cant fake it easily.

UNVOTE:

I will try and re-read TSE without my bias tomorrow. I don't currently agree that he has done as much as you are giving him credit for, but I will look again.

[Joey_]

I disagree about 1439

1437 is a scenario i mentionned many times but not one really took it seriously, thi I think nEE is town now

[Sujimichi]

I mean, I win no matter what you do, suji.

If you lynch Truesoul and he flips green, it lends credence to his claim about me.
If you lynch Truesoul and he flips red, all he did was spend his own more valuable life to get a townie killed.
If you lynch elsewhere, that means I've already influenced y,u enough.

Win/Win/Win

I don't like this post.

[pisskop]

But is it false?

[pisskop]

There comes a point when one has to recognize the transparency with which I am presenting my thoughts.

[Sujimichi]

But is it false?

Your post's veracity isn't what's important. The fact that "you win" when in all three outcomes you could be scum is what concerns me.

[Joey_]

Man i am starting to tr pk/awoo/tse, all their answers are above average

[pisskop]

So am I just that good of a scum player who planned this and manipulated the gamestate or am I town?

Because Occam wants a word with you i think

[TrueSoulEnergy]

That is not a clairication. You have not pointed to any AtE. You claim to be experienced and good at this game, but you refuse to answer basic questions or perform any action outside your self-centered point-of-view. If you are town, you are a detriment. If you are scum, I will be happy.

VOTE: TSE

I will not be unvoting.

Calling me bad town?
MK. Funny thing is here’s my traits in mafia.
Miss Lynch bait - Probably
Lead Wagons - Very Rarely if at all
Solve Rate - very good but no one understands me.

I also explain the AtE if you’d read.
Your scum here or really bad town IMO.

[pisskop]

she?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

He chilled out, then called you mafia which started a counterwagon to PM on you which was a good wagon, and I think that wagon had a lot of town on it, really it would make sense at this point to just kill everyone on the PM wagon starting with me tbh

He also voted PM prior to his replace out.

Do you believe that the D1 Nomination phase had 2+ scum in it?

^ Saying this last line here.
Scum Slipped.
Here’s why.
Lion, Nor and Titus were in The Wagon.
Titus Hammered
Nor with votes
Lion with no votes

My thought process here is, the fact they mentioned that Makes me have 101% Confidence that they are the scum team.
Also I noticed Suji is using allot of AtE.
Which is usually a scum tell for most Players.
Like -) “I’ll replace out” “oh maybe this wagon is false” “You’ll regret it because I’ll flip Town”

AtE:
Replace Out Claim
I’ll always flip Town so leave me alone

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Man i am starting to tr pk/awoo/tse, all their answers are above average

From my PoE
Scum team is either:
Lion and Nor
Or Lion and Suji

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Also funny enough.
Suji Unvotes me pretty fast despite them being so confident I’d flip scum.
And some how their scum read convinced them then they also throw shade on them as well.
Not a good look for Suji TBH.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Man i am starting to tr pk/awoo/tse, all their answers are above average

I also feel Scum!Joey would never say this.
So I’m fairly confident that my reads are accurate.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I trust PK the most as By evaluation their interaction with Titus was a TVS.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Also funny enough.
Suji Unvotes me pretty fast despite them being so confident I’d flip scum.
And some how their scum read convinced them then they also throw shade on them as well.
Not a good look for Suji TBH.

Gonna point this out before Suji dose.
Yes if I was scum or bad town (I’m good Town though) and reading this I could throw shade on this and call if scummy.
However this isn't alignment indicative. it’s Null.
I saved you a breath Suji. Your Welcome.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Trust me.
Suji would have probably threw shade on the “Not a good look for Suji TBH”
I played mafia long enough to know how people react to things.