Open 767: Nomination Mafia [Day 7]

[Menalque]

Pk, is Joey scum or derp town? The pain meds are fogging me.

He asks PK out of everyone.

Pk, is Joey scum or derp town? The pain meds are fogging me.

That said, my gut is telling me they are town. But right now I'm not listening to it, possibly because my logical conclusion is that the are scum, possibly out of spite.

Hey pisskop! If you quit voting scum, they'll townread you!

I don’t think you ever say this to a buddy

hard disagree, I'd say that (or shit of the same sort) to a buddy and Titus prob would too

again, I doubt that Titus was expecting to flip D2. That flip didn't read to me as planned from daystart (lil pings about Titus pushing correspondence when I thought that was obviously a bad lynch but w/e, the fact that everyone didn't means I could just have had a different perception in how pushing correspondence would be perceived) which means that scum probably weren't planning interactions around an immediate scum!flip after the mislynch.

[Menalque]

He also voted on suji which is neat. Would he go for the double?

I would and have driven the bus over weaker partners.

Titus isnt a weak player, though. Soooooo, i mean, titus is the kind of player i make beautiful theatre with.

incidentally, admitting this shit absolutely doesn't make pk town for anyone thinking it does. I've done the same as scum before. this is NAI.

[Menalque]

I think suji's effort is more real than melan's

melan is trying to wrangle lynches and hammer out a plan, and thats soo much less towny than the pedantic debating im seeing.

shading me again. saying I'm town bc he knows that he can't get a lynch through on me while again trying to sow the seeds that there are things to question around my slot

[Menalque]

The fact that I have to press so hard for simple answers is ridiculous.

I do not know why he is not answering. Probably for the same reasons you keep asking: its a social jockeying for power.

Pedant may be the wrong idea . . . youre allowing this one point to be your crux instead of moving on.

Each player alive rn is pursuing a different strat, and we arent moving foreward.

I think that Truesoul is townish. call me biased towards him for TRing me if you please,

but look at the level of analysis and look at what he has on the line defending me. Would a scum do this, do you think?

(1) I mean I'm p sure we're lynching prob TSE today then you tomorrow. the only people who are strongly pushing against this rather than just making up their minds are *checks notes* you and TSE

(2) I mean yeah, sure, why wouldn't they? if he flips scum then some people here are prob gonna read his defending you as being too blatantly scum defending a buddy to lynch you, and if you are both scum you're already in a bad enough position to try and gambit here by doing that

iirc his lynch is impending today, isnt it? Why would he keep pushing this line about me? unless you think we could be partners? Do you?

either he's town who genuinely thinks you're town spewed by the Titus interactions, or he's scum and he's trying some weird gambit or you're both trying to confuse the game state enough to lynch awoo followed by someone who isn't either of you D5 before we go into D6

[Menalque]

I honestly do not understand any of his "analysis" and find it suspect that someone can claim to. So, yes. I think scum would do this.

You do not have to understand it or agree with it. But look at the depth at which he is looking.

He has combed Titus' iso for association tells. He's making an argument that I cannot be scum based on how Titus treated me. That's not beginner play, and its not an easy play to make when you are scum. Because it has to be real, or coincidentally apparent. The whole idea of scum theatre is about scum faking these interactions - its a crucial skill because its so hard to do.

Using these cues to hunt for town -not scum but town- is a huge indication that somebody is liklier to be town because scum dont like to clear names and scum cant fake it easily.

look at the difference in how pk is treating me vs TSE

I've also combed through 25 pages of game looking for associatives and doing overall gamestate analysis. that's pretty clearly why I've cleared joey, and you can see that if you check my ISO for today.

but pk doesn't argue that I'm also far likelier to be town than scum, instead he casts shade on me with stuff like "melan is a harder lynch in general, so now is the time to do that if people doubt he is town." (1386) "youre making mountains out of anthills and huffing and puffing and making your chest look big" (1396) "ewww, this is actually absolute garbage. what do you mean its unlikely we wouldnt hit scum between the simple majority of players alive in the game?" (1415)

by his own admission, pk should be hard TRing me for the reasons why I cleared joey and came to my SR on him (pk), even if town!pk would still argue that I'm wrong. why does he decide instead to try and devalue my play and create suspicion around my slot?

[Menalque]

I mean, I win no matter what you do, suji.

If you lynch Truesoul and he flips green, it lends credence to his claim about me.
If you lynch Truesoul and he flips red, all he did was spend his own more valuable life to get a townie killed.
If you lynch elsewhere, that means I've already influenced y,u enough.

Win/Win/Win

this is only true if you're not scum

if we lynch true soul and he flips red then the game is basically auto (provided I'm right about joey) and we're lynching you either way

but you still shouldn't be worried unless you have good reasons to doubt me/joey as being town

[Menalque]

Man i am starting to tr pk/awoo/tse, all their answers are above average

well no shit, pk is not a bad player and now he's realising that he's actually at risk of getting lynched tomorrow. scum!him is worried because he knows that scum is prob fucked if he goes down, town!him is looking to avoid being mislynched. the increase in quality is functionally NAI unless you think the quality of his posting is outside of what he is/would be capable of as scum

[Menalque]

So am I just that good of a scum player who planned this and manipulated the gamestate or am I town?

Because Occam wants a word with you i think

again, this isn't good for you if Tse!redflip

you're framing this as being all positives for a tse flip for you while voting awoo

[Menalque]

that doesn't make you scum incidentally, if you're town then obviously you push awoo here bc your stuff about TSE's content is what you honestly believe

[Menalque]

That is not a clairication. You have not pointed to any AtE. You claim to be experienced and good at this game, but you refuse to answer basic questions or perform any action outside your self-centered point-of-view. If you are town, you are a detriment. If you are scum, I will be happy.

VOTE: TSE

I will not be unvoting.

Calling me bad town?
MK. Funny thing is here’s my traits in mafia.
Miss Lynch bait - Probably
Lead Wagons - Very Rarely if at all
Solve Rate - very good but no one understands me.

I also explain the AtE if you’d read.
Your scum here or really bad town IMO.

this is like literally a page out of my "what I do as scum" book

[Menalque]

main point against tse!scum is that putting them in with me + awoo is prob dumb as shit because they're probably the most likely lynch going in (although maybe they overestimated how likely people were to vote awoo?)

[pisskop]

Yeh, looks like you couldnt come at me brah.

[Sujimichi]

AtE:
Replace Out Claim
I’ll always flip Town so leave me alone

I didn't say explain. I said show me where I said that. Show me the posts.

[Sujimichi]

So am I just that good of a scum player who planned this and manipulated the gamestate or am I town?

Because Occam wants a word with you i think

I think Occam would like to explain his razor to you.

[Sujimichi]

Also funny enough.
Suji Unvotes me pretty fast despite them being so confident I’d flip scum.
And some how their scum read convinced them then they also throw shade on them as well.
Not a good look for Suji TBH.

Is this really how you view the game? It's so distorted.

1.) My confidence as to you flipping scum is not high, as it was mostly predicated on PM being scum. I specifically said as town you are a detriment. That's why I am voting you over Menalque and Awoo.
2.) I wasn't convinced of anything other than to take a second look at you. I don't see the harm in doing this.

[Sujimichi]

Trust me.
Suji would have probably threw shade on the “Not a good look for Suji TBH”
I played mafia long enough to know how people react to things.

Apparently not.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Alright, i didn't get much of an scum indicative reaction from Awoo so i'll default back to the TSE lynch.
VOTE: TSE

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh, i never replied to Menalque's request. I might be willing to follow your plan at least for a while. Depending on how things go of course.

[pisskop]

I think awoo is the best lynch for the day.

melan isnt too bad though

[Awoo]

He also voted on suji which is neat. Would he go for the double?

I would and have driven the bus over weaker partners.

Sure, but not in this case, because your posts are all in lowercase which gives you a +100% chance to get POE lynched before final 3.

[pisskop]

Usually when I phonepost only the first and spellchecked words get capitalized.

[pisskop]

That, and punctuation is usually optional when I phonepost.

[Menalque]

VOTE: TSE

kinda wanna move on from this so we can lynch pk and win

[Menalque]

L-2

[Menalque]

tse has better odds of a scumflip than awoo

(1) awoo pushed Titus at a time when there was no clear benefit to him in terms of bussing and when it would probably have worked to just push Norway/GL instead
(2) TSE's slot has replaced twice so slightly higher mech chances
(3) while TSE has been active they haven't been that cogent (see: their reason for defending pk as "always town")
(4) creature wasn't particularly towny. I was TRing him by the end of yesterday, but I think I was just wrong