Open 767: Nomination Mafia [Day 7]

[TrueSoulEnergy]

you keep insisting that pk and Titus don't make sense as interacting scum buddies but you don't say why

I did I had the quote about it.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Read my ISO and you’ll find the quote about it.
Actually NM I’ll do it.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Pk, is Joey scum or derp town? The pain meds are fogging me.

He asks PK out of everyone.

Pk, is Joey scum or derp town? The pain meds are fogging me.

That said, my gut is telling me they are town. But right now I'm not listening to it, possibly because my logical conclusion is that the are scum, possibly out of spite.

Hey pisskop! If you quit voting scum, they'll townread you!

I don’t think you ever say this to a buddy

Here it is.

[Menalque]

you keep insisting that pk and Titus don't make sense as interacting scum buddies but you don't say why

I did I had the quote about it.

Okay, let me rephrase: you have not given a reason but you haven't given any reason for why we should find that compelling beyond "I don't think scum ever interacts like this"

[Menalque]

Pk, is Joey scum or derp town? The pain meds are fogging me.

He asks PK out of everyone.

Pk, is Joey scum or derp town? The pain meds are fogging me.

That said, my gut is telling me they are town. But right now I'm not listening to it, possibly because my logical conclusion is that the are scum, possibly out of spite.

Hey pisskop! If you quit voting scum, they'll townread you!

I don’t think you ever say this to a buddy

hard disagree, I'd say that (or shit of the same sort) to a buddy and Titus prob would too

again, I doubt that Titus was expecting to flip D2. That flip didn't read to me as planned from daystart (lil pings about Titus pushing correspondence when I thought that was obviously a bad lynch but w/e, the fact that everyone didn't means I could just have had a different perception in how pushing correspondence would be perceived) which means that scum probably weren't planning interactions around an immediate scum!flip after the mislynch.

why I disagree with your take plus reasons for that

[Awoo]

Yeah TSE no offense but literally all of your posts are near unreadable to me because you keep using phases like "That other guy" and "him" and "you" while quoting multiple people and in such a way where it's ambiguous who you're even talking to in the first place (it changes sometimes mid post???) so like just pretend that I have this disorder where I can't form new memories, and I also damaged the part of my brain that processes third person pronouns

[TrueSoulEnergy]

the important thing here is not to lose focus

we lynch tse today

we lynch pk tomorrow

ideally, that's the end of the game, but failing that we reevaluate and talk things out. if we get one more scum flip, we stick to the plan which I think almost everyone has signed off on which is lynch through PoE up until it's me and joey left at which point we vote whoever the final scum is with us who made it that far

WERE YOU NOT FUCKIN LISTENING TO ME!!!??

Don’t fuck this up for Town here.
LION BEING LYNCHED HELPS TOWN

REGARDLESS OF ALIGNMENT

Lion Flips Red (-) Suji or Nor is their buddy. PK is confirmed Town.
Lion Flips Green (-) Nor is Confirmed Town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

You also realize Mena that if Scum have majority they win.
Regardless of you and Joey.
Your plan only works if 1 Scum remains.
But their is still 2 at large.

Do you care to win or not?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

you keep insisting that pk and Titus don't make sense as interacting scum buddies but you don't say why

I did I had the quote about it.

Okay, let me rephrase: you have not given a reason but you haven't given any reason for why we should find that compelling beyond "I don't think scum ever interacts like this"

The Vote is way too simple.
It legit looks like a ML.

[Menalque]

yeah, which is why the plan is lynch you then lynch pk

like, shouting about it isn't really doing shit to change that

if you want to try and sell pk as town for tomorrow give me a reason beyond "I don't think these interactions come from scum"

at a bare minimum, you need to explain why those interactions don't come from scum

in that particular context

[Menalque]

you keep insisting that pk and Titus don't make sense as interacting scum buddies but you don't say why

I did I had the quote about it.

Okay, let me rephrase: you have not given a reason but you haven't given any reason for why we should find that compelling beyond "I don't think scum ever interacts like this"

The Vote is way too simple.
It legit looks like a ML.

what do you mean? which vote is way too simple?

[Awoo]

I really hope TSE has perfect reads so he can come back postgame and hit us with that righteous indignation

[Menalque]

I really hope TSE has perfect reads so he can come back postgame and hit us with that righteous indignation

that would be hilarious tbf although my favourite thing for lolz would be if you're scum here and so is joey

[TrueSoulEnergy]

yeah, which is why the plan is lynch you then lynch pk

like, shouting about it isn't really doing shit to change that

if you want to try and sell pk as town for tomorrow give me a reason beyond "I don't think these interactions come from scum"

at a bare minimum, you need to explain why those interactions don't come from scum

in that particular context

Listen. Here’s a reason.
PK flipping Town won’t give us any information.
Then flipping mafia still is a question of who is their buddy.
But with Lion.
Them flipping Town makes Nor Confirmed Town as Mafia would only put 1 or all their members on the 3 Options.
Then flipping mafia means the last mafia is within Nor/Suji

[Awoo]

Okay counterpoint: I already don't think norwegianboy is mafia.

Why do I need to flip guiltylion to confirm that?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

you keep insisting that pk and Titus don't make sense as interacting scum buddies but you don't say why

I did I had the quote about it.

Okay, let me rephrase: you have not given a reason but you haven't given any reason for why we should find that compelling beyond "I don't think scum ever interacts like this"

The Vote is way too simple.
It legit looks like a ML.

what do you mean? which vote is way too simple?

PK has much more of a ML Look within the ISO.
Also I feel Scum PK would attempt to puppet more.
Yet they are not.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I really hope TSE has perfect reads so he can come back postgame and hit us with that righteous indignation

If we lose because Lion wasn’t lynched.
Ima PL Mena every game I play with Him

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I really hope TSE has perfect reads so he can come back postgame and hit us with that righteous indignation

that would be hilarious tbf although my favourite thing for lolz would be if you're scum here and so is joey

I deep read Joey.
He has points/posts that Scum!Joey I don’t think would make.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Okay counterpoint: I already don't think norwegianboy is mafia.

Why do I need to flip guiltylion to confirm that?

Mafia could have pulled the “let’s all wagon ourselves Day 2” play.

[Menalque]

yeah, which is why the plan is lynch you then lynch pk

like, shouting about it isn't really doing shit to change that

if you want to try and sell pk as town for tomorrow give me a reason beyond "I don't think these interactions come from scum"

at a bare minimum, you need to explain why those interactions don't come from scum

in that particular context

Listen. Here’s a reason.
PK flipping Town won’t give us any information.
Then flipping mafia still is a question of who is their buddy.
But with Lion.
Them flipping Town makes Nor Confirmed Town as Mafia would only put 1 or all their members on the 3 Options.
Then flipping mafia means the last mafia is within Nor/Suji

I think pk gives us information. for instance, other people think Suji's scum equity drops significantly with a pk red flip. I haven't fully considered that yet myself because it's getting ahead, but I'll consider it at the time. Also, again, this doesn't particularly matter. So long as joey is town, and the other townies in the game believe that he and I are both town, it's literally a won game after one more flip. we may bicker about the order, but we can keep lynching scum all the way to lylo and then win.

I also disagree with your logic around Lion. Why wouldn't mafia put 2 members in? This just all seems like WIFOM speculation. I don't wanna lynch based on do I think mafia put 1, 2, or 3 people in, I wanna lynch based off play.

Them flipping mafia gives us the exact same plan that I outlined as pk flipping mafia. I don't see any reason why they can't be partners, and I'm happier on pk being scum than I am on GL, so I prefer going pk first.

If I am wrong on pk, then we'll have to see what the lynchpool is like on D6, but I still have quite a lot of faith in joey and I to be able to narrow down the pool on D7 even if there are 2 mafia left then, and also that would give us 40% raw odds of hitting scum.

[Menalque]

Okay counterpoint: I already don't think norwegianboy is mafia.

Why do I need to flip guiltylion to confirm that?

Mafia could have pulled the “let’s all wagon ourselves Day 2” play.

yes, they may have, or they may have put two in, or they may have put one in

it's bad logic to assume that it must be either 1 or 3

[pisskop]

Ohh good, mela thinks info lynching is a path to victory

[Menalque]

I really hope TSE has perfect reads so he can come back postgame and hit us with that righteous indignation

If we lose because Lion wasn’t lynched.
Ima PL Mena every game I play with Him

I will seriously consider a GL lynch D7 if you and pk both flip green. It's kind of frustrating how you're pushing this tho, because if you do flip green and then pk does then scum is absolutely bringing GL to lylo every time after all this, whereas before there was always a vague chance they might have put him in the D6 pool which would have meant probably just Suji!scum

[Menalque]

Ohh good, mela thinks info lynching is a path to victory

how are you getting that from what I said

[Menalque]

I was countering the point on you being a no/low information lynch

I want to lynch you for play + associatives