Open 767: Nomination Mafia [Day 7]

[pisskop]

play

excuse me? my play has been top notch

[pisskop]

Well, top notch for somebody who stopped reading weeks ago

[Awoo]

Your play sucks and you just keep shading

[Menalque]

you keep insisting that pk and Titus don't make sense as interacting scum buddies but you don't say why

I did I had the quote about it.

Okay, let me rephrase: you have not given a reason but you haven't given any reason for why we should find that compelling beyond "I don't think scum ever interacts like this"

The Vote is way too simple.
It legit looks like a ML.

what do you mean? which vote is way too simple?

PK has much more of a ML Look within the ISO.
Also I feel Scum PK would attempt to puppet more.
Yet they are not.

or pk has a scummy look in the ISO that you're conf biasing into a ML look based on your belief in that associative

what exactly is it that makes him more likely to be a mislynch than just scum?

I think his play is very reasonably scum. Comes in with the hard push against mutant. Early vote on Titus D2 that gets taken off when GL arrives then put back on late in day. This is probably the main thing that gives me pause, but I don't think it's really significantly less likely that he would choose to make a distancing vote with the plan to change it later then decide to put it back on for cred once Titus had reached that point. But Titus is a strong player, so if there was an argument for pk!town, this is probably the best one.

Do you know pk particularly well? if not, why do you think scum!pk would try to puppet more? also, what exactly do you mean by puppet?

[Menalque]

also has mostly been active lurking. I'd need to check meta because I think he does this as to an extent as either alignment, but I think in my prior experience of playing with him (when he was town) I think he was more proactive than here even if he's maybe not someone who I would expect to try and lead town

[pisskop]

Your play sucks and you just keep shading

And yet youre still gonna eat the ropes

[Awoo]

Name 5 people who will vote for me though

[Menalque]

(1) pk
(2) TSE
(3) kp
(4) EST
(5)ESTkp

[pisskop]

[pisskop]

Melan, you voting?
Awoo, you voting?

Let's stop going around the pissing pot and start ending the day. We're breeding apathy now.

[Menalque]

we're just waiting on joey/GL to turn up

awoo and I are both on TSE

[TrueSoulEnergy]

yeah, which is why the plan is lynch you then lynch pk

like, shouting about it isn't really doing shit to change that

if you want to try and sell pk as town for tomorrow give me a reason beyond "I don't think these interactions come from scum"

at a bare minimum, you need to explain why those interactions don't come from scum

in that particular context

Listen. Here’s a reason.
PK flipping Town won’t give us any information.
Then flipping mafia still is a question of who is their buddy.
But with Lion.
Them flipping Town makes Nor Confirmed Town as Mafia would only put 1 or all their members on the 3 Options.
Then flipping mafia means the last mafia is within Nor/Suji

I think pk gives us information. for instance, other people think Suji's scum equity drops significantly with a pk red flip. I haven't fully considered that yet myself because it's getting ahead, but I'll consider it at the time. Also, again, this doesn't particularly matter. So long as joey is town, and the other townies in the game believe that he and I are both town, it's literally a won game after one more flip. we may bicker about the order, but we can keep lynching scum all the way to lylo and then win.

I also disagree with your logic around Lion. Why wouldn't mafia put 2 members in? This just all seems like WIFOM speculation. I don't wanna lynch based on do I think mafia put 1, 2, or 3 people in, I wanna lynch based off play.

Them flipping mafia gives us the exact same plan that I outlined as pk flipping mafia. I don't see any reason why they can't be partners, and I'm happier on pk being scum than I am on GL, so I prefer going pk first.

If I am wrong on pk, then we'll have to see what the lynchpool is like on D6, but I still have quite a lot of faith in joey and I to be able to narrow down the pool on D7 even if there are 2 mafia left then, and also that would give us 40% raw odds of hitting scum.

Are you still delusional.
You and Joey are 2
There are 2 mafia left
Mafia will reach majority and you’ll lose.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Okay counterpoint: I already don't think norwegianboy is mafia.

Why do I need to flip guiltylion to confirm that?

Mafia could have pulled the “let’s all wagon ourselves Day 2” play.

yes, they may have, or they may have put two in, or they may have put one in

it's bad logic to assume that it must be either 1 or 3

Nor and Titus’s Conflict determines TVS or SvSvS.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@Mena
There’s a difference between Scum and Terrible Town Play.
Learn It.
Don’t vote Bad Town, Vote Scum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

(1) pk
(2) TSE
(3) kp
(4) EST
(5)ESTkp

That’s stupid.
Don’t know if your joking or you actually think me and Awoo were the only 2 voting for Awoo.
Look at Nor.
Look at Joey. (They were trying to figure shit out not vote)

The fact you make a terrible joke out of this isn’t necessary and just morally wrong.

[Joey_]

this posturing garbage is just detracting from the game

its a very busy last 10 days and I am already investing too much into this game

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Melan, you voting?
Awoo, you voting?

Let's stop going around the pissing pot and start ending the day. We're breeding apathy now.

Can you try not to get Miss Lynched?
Can you try and make

NON

terrible plays.
K Thx.

[pisskop]

big oof


joey, make a vote

[TrueSoulEnergy]

At this point.
I don’t know if I trust Mena or not.
At this point.
I need a Lion Lynched so I can solve this game.
However, At this point and time.
Awoo should be lynched as they could hurt Town in the long run. (Their Playstyle is similar to PK)
I refuse to Lynch bad Town when we don’t have to.
Every option of us 3 are probably town.
Awoo is the best Lynch for PL reasons.
As we have no choice and have to Lynch town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

big oof


joey, make a vote

Not going to explain why Awoo is the better vote?
Not going to say why I’m a bigger asset?
Not going to help prevent your miss Lynch?

TF is wrong with you.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Only time you ever Lynch PK is on Even Days.
On Odd Days we Lynch actual scum.
Lynch Lion Tomorrow then Lynch PK.
Lynch Lion when you have a chance to.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@Mena
You should Lynch Lion tomorrow as PK is weak town.
PK can be solved later on.
PK can be lynched on an even day when you need to sacrifice a town.
Today. Sacrifice Awoo.

[Joey_]

What makes you call p60 by TSE obv town?

the important thing here is not to lose focus

we lynch tse today

we lynch pk tomorrow

ideally, that's the end of the game, but failing that we reevaluate and talk things out. if we get one more scum flip, we stick to the plan which I think almost everyone has signed off on which is lynch through PoE up until it's me and joey left at which point we vote whoever the final scum is with us who made it that far

Pk, is Joey scum or derp town? The pain meds are fogging me.

He asks PK out of everyone.

Pk, is Joey scum or derp town? The pain meds are fogging me.

That said, my gut is telling me they are town. But right now I'm not listening to it, possibly because my logical conclusion is that the are scum, possibly out of spite.

Hey pisskop! If you quit voting scum, they'll townread you!

I don’t think you ever say this to a buddy

Here it is.

Yeah TSE no offense but literally all of your posts are near unreadable to me because you keep using phases like "That other guy" and "him" and "you" while quoting multiple people and in such a way where it's ambiguous who you're even talking to in the first place (it changes sometimes mid post???) so like just pretend that I have this disorder where I can't form new memories, and I also damaged the part of my brain that processes third person pronouns

Just read everything, i quoted a few things along the way.
Basically, I disagree with TSE content about pk, i disagree with the non-team read and agree with melan thats it's not AI, but I do believe TSE believes it

Why is he obvious town ? The angles he takes in almost all his posts is almost always from a town pov and he's incredibly consistant about it which is extremely hard to fake. I also agree with lion being probably a better flip for tomorrow than pks, i need to dive pk's iso and his last scum games tho which ill do tomorrow

The post I quoted about awoo is probably his scummiest in the last 10 pages, I still think he's town and that his is a town pool, i still prefer to lynch awoo.

[Joey_]

the important thing here is not to lose focus

I also 100% agree with this, I think town only loses if we start fucking up, the next lynches are the more relevant to the game imo

[pisskop]

Menal

Come join us on awoo
together we can still make this a town win