Mini Theme 2103 - E Bastard

[cyrus62]

VOTE: cyrus then once i flip vote whoever called me cult or scum im game unless your scared shos.

[Vorkuta]

Where did people find that at least 50% of roles will be bastard roles?

It was advertised as such- the quote below links you to the game signup post

Spoiler:

this game has been advertised as BASTARD, and you think you know the exact number of PR's vs VT?

Yes
Cyrus is obviously speculating out of his backside, but I have some """"insight"""""

Flavor/Mechanics:At least 50% of all players will get a bastard role. Other than this.. it could contain bastard and non-bastard mechanics.

6 VTs & 7bastard roles
Ez

/s

Anyway "at least" is amazingly ambiguous.
Scum could have a Bastard roll and a noBastard roll or whatever combination
Let's do the math after the MC

Please put the town points in my tip jar

[shos]

vork your right on one thing we lose today if we pick wrong.

I'll need an explanation for this

9 - 3 = 6 - 1 cult = 5 we lynch aka me that leaves 4 vs 3 - 1 nk 3 vs 3 we lose

Come again?
9 alive; let's say we lynch a townie, and a townie is shot dead. Now we have 7 players, 3 are a scumteam, and the other 4 are against said scumteam. Error?

[Vorkuta]

He thinks it might be 5:3:1

[Chickadee]

Where did people find that at least 50% of roles will be bastard roles?

It was advertised as such- the quote below links you to the game signup post

Spoiler:

this game has been advertised as BASTARD, and you think you know the exact number of PR's vs VT?

Yes
Cyrus is obviously speculating out of his backside, but I have some """"insight"""""

Flavor/Mechanics:At least 50% of all players will get a bastard role. Other than this.. it could contain bastard and non-bastard mechanics.

6 VTs & 7bastard roles
Ez

/s

Anyway "at least" is amazingly ambiguous.
Scum could have a Bastard roll and a noBastard roll or whatever combination
Let's do the math after the MC

Please put the town points in my tip jar

UNVOTE:
Ok that's what I was thinking.

I'm just gonna throw a wild theory out there. The sign up post is not in the truth of text color. I could absolutely see that mattering in a bastard game where there exists a text of truth color.


Which means it gives Vork some scum equity in my book.


So I want Vork to completely and fully claim or eat rope.

[Vorkuta]

I'm just gonna throw a wild theory out there. The sign up post is not in the truth of text color.

@mod

Can you kindly confirm that the information in the signup thread was honest?

/

In to mod:

Game Name:Extremely Bastard

Flavor/Mechanics:

At least 50% of all players will get a bastard role. Other than this.. it could contain bastard and non-bastard mechanics.

Your Experience:

Link

Current Modding Commitments:Co-mod for a Large Theme(Planned)

Reviewed By:

Nobody

Back-Up or Co-Mod:

Nobody(yet but I will not actively search someone)

Number of Players:

13

Hydrae:

Will you allow hydra to sign-up?

Yes.

Restrictions:

Are there restrictions for who can play your game?

No.

Is it possible your game has any of the following bastard roles or mechanics?

cults, mid-game alignment changes, moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated (for example, Godfather, Tailor, Miller, Ninja, and mechanics like that are generally fine. Telling someone they are a reflexive doctor when they're actually a PGO is not), secret win conditions, un-divulged non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, direct moderator influence during the game

Yes.

Obviously.

[Vorkuta]

So I want Vork to completely and fully claim or eat rope.

gameplay comes back, claims

VT

bastard/non-bastard, I decide my next steps and proceed with what I think should be optimal.
I'm not picky- I can fullclaim before ico

[shos]

He thinks it might be 5:3:1

This is still not an autoloss, lol. An SK/cult will obviously want to lunch scum too

[Vorkuta]

It depends on wincon wordings

Town is "all threats"
Mafia is typically "(nothing can prevent) reaching majority" but also can be "all other factions ded" https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _Condition
Cultist is (looking at the CultD3 open setup) is the same as ^

Plus I want to plug my wildcard theory a few more times.

Also come on- how many "12p" Mini games last until D4 where town doesn't lynch (or vig or smth) a single scum by then?

[Vorkuta]

*with a modkill that punishes town

[cyrus62]

vork your right on one thing we lose today if we pick wrong.

I'll need an explanation for this

9 - 3 = 6 - 1 cult = 5 we lynch aka me that leaves 4 vs 3 - 1 nk 3 vs 3 we lose

Come again?
9 alive; let's say we lynch a townie, and a townie is shot dead. Now we have 7 players, 3 are a scumteam, and the other 4 are against said scumteam. Error?

we let doctor live day 1 read his flip there is a cult now its not good for town and that puts us to 3 v 3 we lose vork is right

[cyrus62]

He thinks it might be 5:3:1

This is still not an autoloss, lol. An SK/cult will obviously want to lunch scum too

read doctors flip it clearly states that if town is added to cult it is bad for town . so ot wont matter cult is not green aka town so scum becomes 3 v 3 we lose

[cyrus62]

judgeing by how shos down plays this adds to his scum points.

[cyrus62]

fyi i put a time bomb on the game i am vt if vork is right if we lynch town we lose i am vt i am the only one with a vote and so when i die game over scum wins and i anit takeing my vote off the only way to prevent this is to out vote me so enjoy.

[Chickadee]

Why would you self vote as town if it loses us the game?

[Not Known 15]

I feel like I've been missing something for quite some time. Where did people find that at least 50% of roles will be bastard roles?

The information that these people are talking about can be found here, in the info about the game that you should have read before you signed up...
That information is true. At least 50% of all players got a bastard role.

[Chemist1422]

maybe the bastard role is told they're VT

ever thought of that

[Vorkuta]

Now the question- are people "lying" intentionally, or because the mod lied to them as well?
Discuss

No- first time
But ok- we have >2 VTs who are actually..... what?

[shos]

It depends on wincon wordings

Town is "all threats"

Any chance this is a townslip?

also re:content - bastard games can be very unique, and with cult, you can expect fewer scums, and better odds because...(see below)

vork your right on one thing we lose today if we pick wrong.

I'll need an explanation for this

9 - 3 = 6 - 1 cult = 5 we lynch aka me that leaves 4 vs 3 - 1 nk 3 vs 3 we lose

Come again?
9 alive; let's say we lynch a townie, and a townie is shot dead. Now we have 7 players, 3 are a scumteam, and the other 4 are against said scumteam. Error?

we let doctor live day 1 read his flip there is a cult now its not good for town and that puts us to 3 v 3 we lose vork is right

...because cult are also not good for scum, therefore it is possible that they will be the scum shot and, with scum lynches, town is in lylo and not a loss

[shos]

fyi i put a time bomb on the game i am vt if vork is right if we lynch town we lose i am vt i am the only one with a vote and so when i die game over scum wins and i anit takeing my vote off the only way to prevent this is to out vote me so enjoy.

Why would you self vote as town if it loses us the game?

I kinda think he's a VI too, lol. joindate is four months ago - it is possible this is literally a misunderstanding of the rules of the games - and still it's OK action if he is cult (obv)

[shos]

Since you all really seem to LOVE setupspeccing I shall participate in order to perhaps shut you up over this. I have modded bastard games before (frequently! love the shenanigans) and the possible shit you can play with is endless.

1. Karina(that was the name?) - we don't know their role. here's 1 bastard role - couldn't even post - confirmed
2. Drew - obv bastard as it helps an enemy facility
3. any start-of-game cultist is autobastard
4. if there are scums, these might be bastard
5. if there are SKs, their roles might be bastard
6. if there's town PRs, their effects might be bastard (bullshit targetting, bullshit results, etc)
7. even town VTs may be bastard in that they are, for example, secretly unrecruitable/BP/pre-emptively-chosen-to-be-recruited-D3 or something/redirector
8. ...


I could continue endlessly. We might be even facing two scumteams with alternative nightkills! We might have traitors! etc etc etc etc.
So please, halt the damn setupspec talk.


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Now, if I could please divert your attention to the post where I wrote why we should lynch nom. Perhaps you missed this post or intentionally skipped this post. I think nom ignored this post despite me repeatedly linking to this post, perhaps a zillion times, maybe this post can explain better.

Here's one post you may have missed - but please, read the posts following it too:

Read here.

Spoiler: quotes here

VOTE: nom

VOTE: nom

Actually this vote was so bad and he contradicts himself in his ISO about how to handle Drew so this needs to go. Either you're really bad as town or you're openwolfing.

VOTE: Shos

Imagine voting Drew all of yesterday and now saying "lol let's not do that" and jump on a completely unrelated wagon without any kind of justification whatsoever just because someone else did it. That's just a pretty scummy move.

-snip that says someone else is scum-

....It doesn't matter right now though, Shos vote and justification is extremely scummy. Let's go there.

Lol nom your vote on me is such OMGUS

Do you really not understand the difference between d1 and now? Here is a partial list of stuff that I now know that I didn't before:
1. There is a killing faction, probably beside a cult
2. Korina was the owner of the ? vote, and his modkill ended the day, therefore most likely town

These mean that if we today lunch town on purpose, we might be starting tomorrow with 4 dead townies and possibly 2 cult-recruited.

On my count, that means, at worst, we are PAST lylo, and at best with a 6-2-1 formation which is horrible

Yeah and your vote still doesn't have a justification to be on me you just followed a random dude calling me scum and now you're caught with your pants on fire lol

Yeah and your vote still doesn't have a justification to be on me you just followed a random dude calling me scum and now you're caught with your pants on fire lol

No actually my vote was only intended to add pressure and see how you react. In this case, how you overreacted, which in retrospect gives good reason for my voting! Yay!

So, basically, someone voted you - I jumped the bandwagon for pressure. You start havoking, you posted 9 of the 12 posts after my vote. You accused me of being scum for changing my mind about drew, but when I explained you completely ignored this, agree disagree whatever, all you cared about is that I voted you. That's classic scum thinking all about themselves with a titbit of pressure.

or an SK, that would make it even better.

[Vorkuta]

Any chance this is a townslip?

I'd love that
But full disclosure- the mod has in in post 0

Win Condition:Remove all threats to the Town.

[shos]

[Vorkuta]

have I cult slipped in this game as well?

/s

[shos]

Since you all really seem to LOVE setupspeccing I shall participate in order to perhaps shut you up over this. I have modded bastard games before (frequently! love the shenanigans) and the possible shit you can play with is endless.

1. Karina(that was the name?) - we don't know their role. here's 1 bastard role - couldn't even post - confirmed
2. Drew - obv bastard as it helps an enemy facility
3. any start-of-game cultist is autobastard
4. if there are scums, these might be bastard
5. if there are SKs, their roles might be bastard
6. if there's town PRs, their effects might be bastard (bullshit targetting, bullshit results, etc)
7. even town VTs may be bastard in that they are, for example, secretly unrecruitable/BP/pre-emptively-chosen-to-be-recruited-D3 or something/redirector
8. ...


I could continue endlessly. We might be even facing two scumteams with alternative nightkills! We might have traitors! etc etc etc etc.
So please, halt the damn setupspec talk.


----


Now, if I could please divert your attention to the post where I wrote why we should lynch nom. Perhaps you missed this post or intentionally skipped this post. I think nom ignored this post despite me repeatedly linking to this post, perhaps a zillion times, maybe this post can explain better.

Here's one post you may have missed - but please, read the posts following it too:

Read here.

Spoiler: quotes here

VOTE: nom

VOTE: nom

Actually this vote was so bad and he contradicts himself in his ISO about how to handle Drew so this needs to go. Either you're really bad as town or you're openwolfing.

VOTE: Shos

Imagine voting Drew all of yesterday and now saying "lol let's not do that" and jump on a completely unrelated wagon without any kind of justification whatsoever just because someone else did it. That's just a pretty scummy move.

-snip that says someone else is scum-

....It doesn't matter right now though, Shos vote and justification is extremely scummy. Let's go there.

Lol nom your vote on me is such OMGUS

Do you really not understand the difference between d1 and now? Here is a partial list of stuff that I now know that I didn't before:
1. There is a killing faction, probably beside a cult
2. Korina was the owner of the ? vote, and his modkill ended the day, therefore most likely town

These mean that if we today lunch town on purpose, we might be starting tomorrow with 4 dead townies and possibly 2 cult-recruited.

On my count, that means, at worst, we are PAST lylo, and at best with a 6-2-1 formation which is horrible

Yeah and your vote still doesn't have a justification to be on me you just followed a random dude calling me scum and now you're caught with your pants on fire lol

Yeah and your vote still doesn't have a justification to be on me you just followed a random dude calling me scum and now you're caught with your pants on fire lol

No actually my vote was only intended to add pressure and see how you react. In this case, how you overreacted, which in retrospect gives good reason for my voting! Yay!

So, basically, someone voted you - I jumped the bandwagon for pressure. You start havoking, you posted 9 of the 12 posts after my vote. You accused me of being scum for changing my mind about drew, but when I explained you completely ignored this, agree disagree whatever, all you cared about is that I voted you. That's classic scum thinking all about themselves with a titbit of pressure.

or an SK, that would make it even better.

btw there's also this one