Open 769: Venrob's PYP X/Y (Town Wins)

[Flubbernugget]

What exactly is the case on aaronfrost?

[Something_Smart]

lol this is so weird to read this while being conscious of me having a history of being extremely weak plays on purposes to be townread

Well, as I mentioned earlier with Vorkuta, there are people who do it, but they are in the extreme minority. It takes a lot of faith that people won't just lynch you for being dumb.

[skitter30]

I don't think it's manipulative? Like he's not trying to trick Aaron into weakening his Luca townread.

He's straight up trying to break down the read.

It's not as though Aaron might change his read without realizing why he had changed it or that rb was trying to get him to change it.

Maybe we're using the word manipulative differently

I dont like the way he's going about the bolded

[skitter30]

I really hate realists but you are refs top scum read and skitter is second. But that doesn't mean I need to force a

Lynch on either of you today because 1. I could be wrong,

and 2. There's another scum out there even if I'm right and I only have two reads I believe in, in any capacity.

Is this how you normally approach day1?
Like when do you decide it's time to start pushing your scumreads, exactly?

[skitter30]

I'm not sure i get the kerset scumreads

I'm not sure why what he's doing is scum-indicative and not (new ?) playstyle indicative

Kerset i think i asked this but i'm not sure if you answered: how much mafia experience do you have?

[Something_Smart]

I dont like the way he's going about the bolded

What about it don't you like?

[skitter30]

i'll reread it later

i think rb is being manipulative / buddying-y tho and would prefer that for now since i really don't have thoughts on kerset

can you please outline how you can simultaneously insist that you have not paid much attention to our interaction, but also be so resistant to any idea from other slots that have apparently paid attention to it: that kerset is not scum and yet i am likely to be?

nomnom brings up similar points to what i did?

are they also scummy?

line of thinking does not compute

A) i initially skimmed your back and forth with kerset (which i subsequently reread). When i skimmed, and when i reread, i largely didnt, and dont, get why kerset is being pushed. I dont think he's been particularly scummy.

B) the part that i'm objecting to is your interaction with aaron.

C) i'm feeling dubious of nom now, yes

[nomnomnom]

Ah classic skitter doubting me all game long just because of that one normal that traumatized her lol

[skitter30]

I dont like the way he's going about the bolded

What about it don't you like?

Because i dont know why town tries to undermine/break down a townread

[skitter30]

Ah classic skitter doubting me all game long just because of that one normal that traumatized her lol

I mean ... it worked for me last time so

[skitter30]

I mean should i not be wary rn or ...

Do you think i should be townreading you?

[Something_Smart]

Because i dont know why town tries to undermine/break down a townread

...if they think the reasoning for it isn't sound?

[nomnomnom]

Ah classic skitter doubting me all game long just because of that one normal that traumatized her lol

I mean ... it worked for me last time so

I think there were more factors that didn't service me that game such as the slot I replaced in that was honestly scummy so I think my usual scum tactics were flawed there. Interestingly enough, as an aside, the only two scumgames I have lot were two games where I replaced a scum. That's an interesting observation I made that speaks volume about the people I replace being really scummy before I come in and given that some people are seriously scared of my scumgame it doesn't help at all that I'm the one replacing these scummy slots.

I mean should i not be wary rn or ...

Do you think i should be townreading you?

I don't know? The fact that you're having doubts about me perhaps is a good thing given that you easily read me as town in Cats. I've also invoked this argument in Electronic Mafia with Tchill, that it's probably a good indication that I'm town if people are scumreading me early on lol

[Something_Smart]

Noms you seem to have some experience with skitter. She's made some pretty weak points at this juncture. Is that normal; is it indicative of her alignment?

[Wooper]

not rly

[skitter30]

if you read my posts you'll see that i think luca is also a scumread of mine

Maybe this is the part i missed while skimming because i have like no recollection of this being the case

That interaction makes more sense then, i guess

I looked at your iso and i found these:

I want luca to be scum because then this game would be ez solve

do something scummy imo

I think Luca is entirely wrong about most of their reads

i am bothered

Is the latter quote supposed to imply that you're scumreading him?
I think i actually asked about this but didnt get an answer - why is mot understanding his reads scum indicatice

[Kerset]

So which is the case? Do I only talk about state of town and mech or maybe i throw a lot of accusations at people? That is contradiction for me.

you're creating a fairly thin distinction that is all but irrelevant given what nom and rb are actually saying about you

@nom this is the scummiest thing i've seen kerset do thus far ^

I still don't understand, you didn't help me.

@rb do you agree with

Picture this: someone's accusations or slight shades against people, and what they vote, can be seen as a ratio. I see it as a vote/shade ratio, where you can see what someone says in regards to people that could be seen as shading or outright accusation, and where they vote. In Kerset's case, their iso

is full to the brim with shading and accusations

, but the only vote that they've made is against rb.

?

[Kerset]

Don't know how I feel about the topic just being behind the Kerset and rb slot. Kerset has really bad arguments but the approach they bring to the game feels towny. I think we should still go for Aaron here. Rb is just gonna be...well rb

Bad post. Trying to distract from the Kerset/rb discussions.

Why didn't you say this about Sirfetch?

[Kerset]

b) I don't think so. I'm a much more emotional player. I "feel" rather than analyze. These are observations with the games I've went through rather than something I applied over and over, but I do feel it holds water.

this is a fascinating theory but i'm not sure, overall, how much stock i actually put into it in practice

kerset how much mafia experience do u have

This is my 3rd game

[Wooper]

Good point
VOTE: aaron

[skitter30]

i think your play lacks direction, despite knowing that you're usually a capable and matter of fact player as town who states what they think and pushes in the direction they believe will hit scum.

it's possible that i'm overestimating your townplay, or that you just aren't really pinging heavily on a scumread yet and so aren't the town player i'm used to. nothing you've said really pings me as you being either alignment, which is why i said earlier "i hope Luca's scum because then this game would make a lot more sense"

- i think you're overestimating his towngame
- this seems in line with his towngame that i've seen before
- i'm not sure why you're characterizing his play as lacking direction, or what that even means in this context

[Wooper]

Kerset is one of my favorite new people!

[skitter30]

Rb what is your current read on kerser exactly

[rb]

I dont like the way he's going about the bolded

What about it don't you like?

Because i dont know why town tries to undermine/break down a townread

already explained in 517

[skitter30]

Ya i'm not sure kerset's being anything more than 'awkward new'