Open 767: Nomination Mafia [Day 7]

[Menalque]

Hammering before GL turns up is a scumclaim, I’ll say it again

[Menalque]

Actually, GL prob is good today

VOTE: GL

What was it that solidified this for you today? I know you said you would entertain and discuss, but it doesn't seem like it took much (if any) discussion.

I think the difficulty of lynching TSE yesterday > awoo prob implies that scum didn’t both hop on, I think it was just 1 scum on

That means 1 scum between pk/GL

GL’s ISO is bad and I was wrong yesterday, TSE hard scumread GL and hard townread pk, I don’t think town really benefits from me 1v1ing pk today/forcing him through, and that goes double if I’m wrong to SR him and he is town because it will completely derail the game

[Menalque]

suji could also hammer for all i care.

now is the time to make a stand one way or another

This is also bad incidentally, it’s fucking dumb to hammer this early

[Sujimichi]

GL’s ISO is bad

What is it about his ISO that you find bad?

[chennisden]

GuiltyLion (3), pisskop, Menalque, Joey_
Pisskop (1): NorwegianboyEE_

[pisskop]

suji is likely the buddy

[pisskop]

but i mean ive been saying that since , , , two gamedays ago?

[Awoo]

Hammering before GL turns up is a scumclaim, I’ll say it again

Can I hammer him if he flakes?

[Menalque]

Hammering before GL turns up is a scumclaim, I’ll say it again

Can I hammer him if he flakes?

No, we wait for a replacement to get fresh eyes on this in case they’re town

[Menalque]

Like if GL is scum we’re p gucci gang

If GL is town and gets replaced then having conf!town thoughts from a fresh perspective is gonna be v helpful in lylo

So hammer is still a scum claim

Also a possibility that a replacement could redeem the slot and we lynch pk our suji instead

[Menalque]

GL’s ISO is bad

What is it about his ISO that you find bad?

I think I already said this, hang on

[Menalque]

To clarify: voting GL because bad iso (

very non-commital to everything throughout willing to vote almost everyone seemingly

), TSE read confirmed as being in good faith, not convinced 1v1ing pk today helps town even if he’s scum — and if I’m wrong and he is town then it’s prob actively harmful

This is the main thing

Also the timing of the inactivity isn’t great but is probably NAI

[Awoo]

Yeah he just hasent logged in

[Menalque]

chenn can u prod GL pls u star

[Sujimichi]

To clarify: voting GL because bad iso (

very non-commital to everything throughout willing to vote almost everyone seemingly

), TSE read confirmed as being in good faith, not convinced 1v1ing pk today helps town even if he’s scum — and if I’m wrong and he is town then it’s prob actively harmful

This is the main thing

Also the timing of the inactivity isn’t great but is probably NAI

I don't think that bolded statement is true, nor do I think he has been noncommital. He's provided his reads and has voted in line with them.

[pisskop]

his partner would say that suji

[Sujimichi]

Or, someone who is actually critically reading the game. What I am saying is factual.

[Menalque]

Okay, why isn’t it true? I think he’s voted just about everyone who’s been on the table when it seemed like they might be viable. I think that flexibility and changes as part of a clear thought pattern make sense and generally show town. I think that GL’s seem more opportunistic than that, although I need to in depth his ISO rather than skimming to be sure.

[Menalque]

Lmao if pk actually ends up being town here

Hope ur sure that this is scum pk because I’m almost certainly flipping you if it’s not

[Sujimichi]

Okay, why isn’t it true? I think he’s voted just about everyone who’s been on the table when it seemed like they might be viable. I think that flexibility and changes as part of a clear thought pattern make sense and generally show town. I think that GL’s seem more opportunistic than that, although I need to in depth his ISO rather than skimming to be sure.

Spoiler: Vote Record

VOTE: Titus

this puts both wagons at L-1

in case a nEE voter sees reason to switch. But I promise I won't let deadline expire with no lynch and I'll be back throughout today in case my vote is needed on nEE

I would like to hear your thoughts on PMysterious, GuiltyLion.

scum

VOTE: PMysterious

lots of robotic posts, on the wrong wagon yesterday and shading the people voting scum, despite just rereading most of the game I still don't feel like I can accurately summarize the general state of his reads

speaking of which here's where I am at (pending a read of the last couple pages but I doubt much will change)

{Joey, Menalque}
{Suji}
{Awoo, Norwegian}
{Creature, Pisskop}
{PM}

VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy

Titus, why did you fail to address my comment on your Correspondence assertion?

Incoherence between ideas/behavior is a clue that their thought process is not genuine & more superficial than they want you to believe. Basically they often have to go "bottom-up"

Town looks incoherent but their processes "does exists" they just aren't very clear, its ''top-down'' so you can always investigate the thought process

@Titus; Why do you scumread nEE?

@Suj Which post? I am under intense stress IRL. I'll comment today.

@Joey, I think GL is more genuine. Nee just sounds like he's trying to lynch not himself and keep his options open on me. GL and I ho way back to my noob days. I feel confident in his ability to see I am town

Ok with this post here
Suj/Joey is a TVS.

Usually Scum, at least when I flip scum in my games, will try and involve their mafia member in a conversation but then distance from another.

So the way that this was setup. I feel like 1 of Suj/Joey was @ed just to add conversation with a mafia member while the other is Town.

@TSE - did you notice that Titus is responding to specifically the two questions asked of her above here?

intent -24 hours

holding to see if anyone does have doubts on me they wanna sort out

can we pause on this? I'm too busy today this is a prodge but I'll be around tomorrow
UNVOTE:

I'm not worried about you but I do want to talk a bit with Awoo if possible and read/digest what I've missed since my last thread read, I wasn't thinking we'd be at hammer time already

Awoo I haven't read since my last few posts so ignore this if you feel you've already addressed it significantly but I want your thoughts on who the wolf team is if we are assuming that this current pool is all town, and also like what actual probability you assign to scum!Menalque compared to scum!TSE because atm I don't grok why you'd have TSE as more town than Menalque

• He could have hammered Norwegian instead of setting up Titus for a lynch. Voted Titus anyway, though expressed that he would not allow a no lynch.
• Vote on PM with his rationale plus overall reads
• Vote TSE and then unvote to prevent the day from ending before he had a chance to dialogue with Awoo.

I don't see non-commitment, nor do I see him willing to vote almost everyone seemingly. He did express an interest in voting pisskop the same day as PM, but if you'll notice the placement of pisskop in his reads, it lines up.

[Awoo]

So should we lynch you today instead?

[Sujimichi]

Seems like a rhetorical question. I would obviously prefer a GuiltyLion lynch over myself.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think what Awoo is trying to say is that you need to propose an alternative. Like the town seems pretty set to lynch either you or GL right now. Personally i would go for PK, but hey.

[Sujimichi]

I'm trying to flesh that out right now, which is why I have asked for other player's reasoning on why they think GuiltyLion is scum. Awoo's rationale made sense to me. Menalque's does not at the moment. pisskop does not seem to have any.

If I was forced to vote at the moment, I would vote pisskop.

[pisskop]

Then vote