Open 767: Nomination Mafia [Day 7]

[Sujimichi]

Why aren’t you reconsidering awoo? Like if I had to say a townread I think I’m actually most likely to be

wrong

on, I’d say awoo

I TR them more strongly than Norwegian, but also think I have more chance of having just fucked up there, if that makes sense?

No comment at this time.

[Joey_]

I wanna read the suji iso before day ends and I wanna meta him vs MMRT which just finished and he was town

I disagree a whole lot with your take on pk's replace out, this comes from town almost always

[Sujimichi]

Thats a pretty convenient answer for someone claiming to want to revisit slots & not using bothering using info that was before their replace-in

Wanting to revist doesn't mean that I have revisited. That was a quick response to a question on what I am processing.

[Joey_]

Thats a pretty convenient answer for someone claiming to want to revisit slots & not using bothering using info that was before their replace-in

Wanting to revist doesn't mean that I have revisited. That was a quick response to a question on what I am processing.

Fair

[Menalque]

I do think lynching pk here is the right move and I don’t think I should have compromised that much on GL

Mostly cause if I am wrong then I think not lynching pk today gives me the least chance of being right in lylo

He’s my top independent SR if I have fucked up and the team is in my TRs then bringing pk to lylo is losing for sure bc I don’t know if I can not vote there after everything

GL i think I have a better chance of being able to consider more objectively, added to the fact that I literally SR him less than pk

[Menalque]

I wanna read the suji iso before day ends and I wanna meta him vs MMRT which just finished and he was town

I disagree a whole lot with your take on pk's replace out, this comes from town almost always

Okay why?

[Menalque]

Why aren’t you reconsidering awoo? Like if I had to say a townread I think I’m actually most likely to be

wrong

on, I’d say awoo

I TR them more strongly than Norwegian, but also think I have more chance of having just fucked up there, if that makes sense?

No comment at this time.

Hmm

[Joey_]

I wanna read the suji iso before day ends and I wanna meta him vs MMRT which just finished and he was town

I disagree a whole lot with your take on pk's replace out, this comes from town almost always

Okay why?

Because, imagine pk's ego being caught as scum and throwing a tantrum because you ends up voting them and his reaction is to bail out

If you assume it was a strategic replace out, then you need to think about why would he think it was strategic. From a scum pov, if he was scum and GL town from an associative perspective, then he would be in the best position than the rest of the whole game.

Also, notice he didn't even "test the water" of town reaction from your vote, he basically automatically replaced-out. From a strategic standpoint, you would make a jugement based on your actual likelihood of being lynched VS of a town being lynched there. He didn't even wait long enough to see how ppl would react, which imo means it's not s strategic replace-out at all but an emotional one.

[Joey_]

Basically; you don't strategic replace-out from one vote, regardless where it's coming from. There wasn't that much support for a pk lynch that would justify him thinking he would be the flip from your vote

[Joey_]

I do think lynching pk here is the right move and I don’t think I should have compromised that much on GL

Mostly cause if I am wrong then I think not lynching pk today gives me the least chance of being right in lylo

He’s my top independent SR if I have fucked up and the team is in my TRs then bringing pk to lylo is losing for sure bc I don’t know if I can not vote there after everything

GL i think I have a better chance of being able to consider more objectively, added to the fact that I literally SR him less than pk

About that, why don't you wait for a replacement? You consistently asked people to wait for those yet you seems to want to flip pk regardless

[Joey_]

You want to play as a team and makes your POE lynch plan works? Then throw me a bone and stay on course with the GL flip, also do it for TSE's sake

[Menalque]

I think your last point there is strongest about it being strategic vs emotional

I don’t wanna discuss pk’s ego either way

But I hard disagree that it doesn’t make sense strategically. It draws people to reading it as towny (see: your reaction), it’s within what I think is pk’s scumrange, and I actually do think he had very good chances of being lynched

Norway was voting him

I voted him

Suji had expressed willingness to vote

GL could have hammered to avoid being the lynch today if he believed pk was scum and that the hammer would absolve him

And tbh I think he could have thought awoo might vote him too

[Sujimichi]

Basically; you don't strategic replace-out from one vote, regardless where it's coming from. There wasn't that much support for a pk lynch that would justify him thinking he would be the flip from your vote

I already stated that my vote would be there. Norwegian was already voting. GuiltlyLion was the counter so vote would likely be there (and is now). Menalque was the vote that would be the hammer vote. So, there was enough stated or obvious support that Menalque voting pisskop would likely lead to him inferring he would be the lynch.

[Menalque]

I do think lynching pk here is the right move and I don’t think I should have compromised that much on GL

Mostly cause if I am wrong then I think not lynching pk today gives me the least chance of being right in lylo

He’s my top independent SR if I have fucked up and the team is in my TRs then bringing pk to lylo is losing for sure bc I don’t know if I can not vote there after everything

GL i think I have a better chance of being able to consider more objectively, added to the fact that I literally SR him less than pk

About that, why don't you wait for a replacement? You consistently asked people to wait for those yet you seems to want to flip pk regardless

We’re absolutely waiting for a replacement

I think I’ve made that p explicit

[Menalque]

P sure he’s scum but same thing applies as with guilty: anyone hammers before the replacement turns up and they’re scumclaiming

[Joey_]

Basically; you don't strategic replace-out from one vote, regardless where it's coming from. There wasn't that much support for a pk lynch that would justify him thinking he would be the flip from your vote

I already stated that my vote would be there. Norwegian was already voting. GuiltlyLion was the counter so vote would likely be there (and is now). Menalque was the vote that would be the hammer vote. So, there was enough stated or obvious support that Menalque voting pisskop would likely lead to him inferring he would be the lynch.

I might have underestimated the support in his lynch

[Menalque]

I do think lynching pk here is the right move and I don’t think I should have compromised that much on GL

Mostly cause if I am wrong then I think not lynching pk today gives me the least chance of being right in lylo

He’s my top independent SR if I have fucked up and the team is in my TRs then bringing pk to lylo is losing for sure bc I don’t know if I can not vote there after everything

GL i think I have a better chance of being able to consider more objectively, added to the fact that I literally SR him less than pk

About that, why don't you wait for a replacement? You consistently asked people to wait for those yet you seems to want to flip pk regardless

Also if unvoted by the time I made this post then I think it’s p obvious I’m not calling for pre-replacement hammer?

[Joey_]

I agree its whiting pk's scumrange, i still think that at face value, its much more likely to come from town

[Joey_]

I do think lynching pk here is the right move and I don’t think I should have compromised that much on GL

Mostly cause if I am wrong then I think not lynching pk today gives me the least chance of being right in lylo

He’s my top independent SR if I have fucked up and the team is in my TRs then bringing pk to lylo is losing for sure bc I don’t know if I can not vote there after everything

GL i think I have a better chance of being able to consider more objectively, added to the fact that I literally SR him less than pk

About that, why don't you wait for a replacement? You consistently asked people to wait for those yet you seems to want to flip pk regardless

Also if unvoted by the time I made this post then I think it’s p obvious I’m not calling for pre-replacement hammer?

Its mostly that you are making an argument about lylo and how important pk's lynch is to you when you explicitly said that, in other instances, a replacement could sway your vote. Thats where i felt inconsistence. It could be easily explained because it's your own scumread vs GL's so you feel more strongly toward lynch the slot

[Menalque]

You want to play as a team and makes your POE lynch plan works? Then throw me a bone and stay on course with the GL flip, also do it for TSE's sake

Yeah lemme think about it

The whole reason I unvoted is bc I want time to think this through

I do see the argument for both but as I said in my most recent post I think that not lynching pk!slot today is more likely to fuck us in the end if I’m majorly wrong somewhere

And like I actually don’t think being wrong on TSE should have thrown me as much as it did? Like I said I thought the scum team was in (pk, suji, TSE, GL) and I strongly felt that TSE was a better lynch than awoo given that everyone had raw slightly higher odds of being town from being in that lynchpool after we’d already had a scum flip, and I think I p obviously wasn’t gonna be the lynch. Idk if awoo is brazen enough to take a chance on me defending him there when I’d been thinking about him a lot on D3

So actually I do think awoo is strong town

But anyway, like I said, that means that I had like a 50/50 chance of lynching scum if I was right about the team being in that pool, but I was limited to only choosing 1 who also wasn’t my top SR

I absolutely do make mistakes as town, it can’t be helped. But I don’t necessarily think I should overthink my SR on pk bc of it rather than trusting myself that my reads are good and it’s most likely pk + 1 of (suji, GL)

[Awoo]

Ah you moved creature down before he got mislynched. That's still not a good look.

Joey_ also dropped and Norwegian moved up. I don't know why you aren't accurately representing what I say.

Ah you moved creature down before he got mislynched. That's still not a good look.

You moved joey and norwegian. I have no comment on this but I am obligated to mention it to accurately represent you.

[Menalque]

I do think lynching pk here is the right move and I don’t think I should have compromised that much on GL

Mostly cause if I am wrong then I think not lynching pk today gives me the least chance of being right in lylo

He’s my top independent SR if I have fucked up and the team is in my TRs then bringing pk to lylo is losing for sure bc I don’t know if I can not vote there after everything

GL i think I have a better chance of being able to consider more objectively, added to the fact that I literally SR him less than pk

About that, why don't you wait for a replacement? You consistently asked people to wait for those yet you seems to want to flip pk regardless

Also if unvoted by the time I made this post then I think it’s p obvious I’m not calling for pre-replacement hammer?

Its mostly that you are making an argument about lylo and how important pk's lynch is to you when you explicitly said that, in other instances, a replacement could sway your vote. Thats where i felt inconsistence. It could be easily explained because it's your own scumread vs GL's so you feel more strongly toward lynch the slot

I mean partly we’re gonna have to wait and see, but my position on the replacements in that slot were different bc I was more mixed in how I was reading creature. So like, could a replacement sway my vote? Like maaaaaybe, but I’m always gonna have major concerns based on pk’s play. Especially if it’s someone whose scumgame is particularly strong, in which case I really don’t know how objectively I’m gonna be able to assess what’s going on in lylo after pk’s behaviour. So I don’t really wanna sort there bc I think I’ll struggle to do it. I’d rather sort GL in lylo tbh

[Sujimichi]

Ah you moved creature down before he got mislynched. That's still not a good look.

Joey_ also dropped and Norwegian moved up. I don't know why you aren't accurately representing what I say.

Ah you moved creature down before he got mislynched. That's still not a good look.

You moved joey and norwegian. I have no comment on this but I am obligated to mention it to accurately represent you.

Thank you.

[Joey_]

Hey if you want an argument about GL being mafia;

Dear Phillippa,

Lawrence and I have returned from our African adventure, and I cannot wait to see you and the children! There is something primal and refreshing about the grasslands and veldts of the Serengetti, you should really take a safari there some time. Lions in the London Menagerie are one thing, but seeing them chase down a gazelle in the wild is, dare I say, exhilarating! It may be unseemly of me to go on so about such a brutish diversion, but the experience was quite incomparable.

I see in my time away, we have had a number of new families move in to the village. I am simply starved for good gossip, my dear, you must tell me all about them. I did note one altercation between the new arrivals as our carriage rolled through town, and it seemed that an uncouth gentleman of ill-aspect was accosting another gentleman of who looked little better. Our coachman stopped long enough for us to overhear the exchange, and it appeared as if Mr. Mutant was raving at one Mr. Pisskop in a deranged and unjustified fashion. Indeed, it is likely enough that our forebears would have ousted the scoundrel on the spot for such behavior. Madame Titus, the new shopkeep in Town, was most perspicacious to denounce Mr. Mutant's conduct.

I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the other new residents, and of course, to seeing you in person.

Fondest regards,
Henrietta

Post Script:

VOTE: Mutantdevle

Warning: Wild take

. Why did he forget to vote mutant in his first post you think?

Well its very obvious most of his effort went into the gimmick, correct? He also described in length the reasons behind his soon-to-be vote, mentioning interactions and what not.. yet he forgot to vote.

As town, your motivation is to lynch mafia and your most direct tool to do so, is your vote.
As scum, your motivation is much more oriented in posturizing and not being lynched, justifying yourself so you don't look bad.

So do you think someone who invest so much time in a post and a gimmick would forget the conclusion of a his whole meme case aka voting aka working toward flipping the person they just described as mefia?

Thats a wild take but, what if his actual motivation was answered in his first post and thus, would explain why he forgot to vote in the same very post. It could be explained if his actual incentive was to shade/describe and justify his vote/stance rather than voting toward an actual scumread.

a. The "Post-Script" also adds to my silly theory because it implies that he had the intention of voting mutant when he made his whole shading/justifying paragraph.
b. The timing also adds; he posted that PS 9 minutes later. If he actually just naively forgot to that that vote in there, he mightve just double posted whithin a minute, but 9 minutes? He probably posted his 107 then did something else, and thought to himself "oh wait, i forgot to vote" and went back to the game to add that vote.

This implies that he must've felt his first post was "a meaning to an end" in itself, which means shading mutant + describing his fos was more important than voting

[Awoo]

That's pretty wild. My vote is still for GL/Suji today.

Want to hear a less game related take that I just realized?

Everyone knows the best part of being scum is that you don't have to worry about having accurate reads. Sure feels good just pushing agenda and just BSing reasons that sound plausible. When I first heard this it sure made me feel less happy to roll town.

But today when reading menalque's posts about me, I realized the best part of being town is that you will get townread for things you didn't see coming or plan ahead of time, and it feels great. So much better then when you get townread as mafia for things you planned.